Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

[Doo]

The thing with the Titan fights, it could very well be true.

Yeah it's very believable because of how bad players are in df. Titan is unforgiving and you are required to have 7 players play perfectly. Took me weeks of dfing and never got a single win until I rigged the odds by queueing in with my people.

[Jynx]

I guess you gotta do some work even if it's a video game to have some fun?

If your not enjoying the "Work" your putting into the game then your "Enjoying" it wrong.

Don't like training new players? Play with experienced played.
Don't like farming materials (I find it rather satisfying to farm and craft my own items, "Fun" even) Don't do it, people buy things for a reason, because they don't want to make it themselves.

You can "Make gil" doing the things you find "Fun" Dungeons, Fates, Leves. Any content that doesn't generate or have a way to generate gil often pays out in dividens that makes you not need to spend gil to keep playing (Myth tomes and Allagan gear drops). You could call playing any part of the game "Work" if you wanted to break it down to hillariously nonsensicle simple tasks as you did.

"Guess I gotta "Work" if I want to beat Titan EX, I press my combo rotation and make sure I don't stand in them red cirlces or get pushed off the cliff, when I'm done I punch my timecard and call it a day and go have some fun by going to work in real life!"

[DreXxiN]

Why is this ever still a topic? If you're with randoms, expect nothing and teach whatever needs to be taught. If you want experienced groups, create one or join one with the expectations of your liking.

It doesn't take a debate, and this is coming from someone who mostly one shots T5 weekly.

[xagarelic]

I'm just gonna be here for the second time :P

[Chippy2]

Yes, the people in your group most likely watched videos or read a general guide on the mechanics of the fight. Would you except their advise on how best to do the fight? If yes, then why not be prepared and do the research yourself? They are basically regurgitating what is already available to you. If you don't want to know anything about the fight, and want to wing it, why should they sit there and wait for you? If you want to do a endgame raid with other individuals that don't want to do any research, then make a PF group yourself.

People can give me all the advice in the world it goes in one ear and out the other!. With these fights you NEVER learn until you experience if for yourself that's a FACT!. I could tell you all the Titan Ex mechanics before the fight are you going to remember them all?. I'll answer that for you NO!. You do not learn until you experience it for yourself!.

[Lego3400]

[2]You are now eligible for it but that doesnt mean you are "good to go"

Your gears play a crucial part in terms of clearing a run so if you think/know that your barely getting that requirement, use your time more wisely by running more appropriate dungeons so you'll be more prepared for the higher ones.

If it has a set item level to get in you don't need better gear then that. Faceroll =/= Geared. HAving better gear will make it EASIER yes, but it's not REQUIRED

[Hitome]

Missing the point

K we'll just agree to disagree. You go forth and spread mediocrity while being unable to help players in DF on your PLD who doesn't meet the minimum requirements and I'll continue to exercise patience in DF. You know...like I've been doing all along.

One last time: no one is seeking to enforce their playstyle on other people. We are only making a recommendation in the interest of courtesy to our fellow players. You know what a recommendation is, yes? Advice: not a demand.

The disconnect is quite simple: you think I am frustrated with people not watching videos. If this were the case, do my actions tell you this is the truth? Would someone who is frustrated with people who do not come prepared continue to do DF? No, of course not. I approach DF just like many of you do: no expectations.

The problem is you do not understand that you are giving some dangerous advice to other players who might benefit otherwise. Not something you'd expect to see on a board that is designed to help players achieve their goals and alleviate their frustrations, you know?

Oh, and Hitome. I did read over your stuff, but the basic matter is, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree. I wouldn't let it bother you as it seems it has. There are far more important things in life to get worked up over compared to a disagreement with some random person on the internet. *Shrugs* Don't let it bother you.

I thought we were having a debate? Why do you think it would bother me? If I spent so much time in DF Titan HM and am not frustrated by it yet, what makes you think your posts would frustrate me?

As I said: my voice on the forum is vocal and the one in game is silent. I do not ask people, when I join a DF group, to go watch a video. I watch what they do and just make observations. I have a large sample size but you haven't seen what I have, unfortunately, so there is no way to relate these experiences to you. You will just have to give it a shot on PLD and report back with findings.

The only conclusion I drew from your long post is that you won 3 out of 108 fights. You were in all of those 105 losses, and you blame everybody except yourself. Usual MMO game attitude: feeling a special snowflake surrounded by "bads". :P

This is a retort I've seen used frequently over the past few years: often said by those who have nothing else to contribute.

Simple reading comprehension would allow you to see this isn't the case. If I've stated that I've actively been a part of a LS that helped people on my server in droves through Titan HM, this kind of suggests that I know what I'm doing in regards to Titan DF. If all my 50s have relics, this also might hint at this. Furthermore, if I seem to have no problem clearing Titan Ex, there would be a high probability that Titan HM is not an issue for me.

I mess up rarely on Titan HM. I've been in several DF situations where I've solo healed the last phase on SCH and received compliments afterwards. It's really not a hard fight once you've done it so much that you know the pattern by heart, you know?

But sure enough: the one lecturing me, yet again, seems to lack the gear/experience/skill to back up their retort. "LOL you must suck if you wipe 108 times on Titan."...yet, may I point out that, my alt MNK actually has better gear than your main with further progression?

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/6324284/

So might I ask: what problems do you have with the extreme primals, exactly? I would venture a guess that lack of invigorate may be a big reason. You don't seem to have coil experience. I highly recommend taking a look at our Twin video to help you formulate a strategy when you eventually get there! I know you can do it.

If we're going to compare sizes, it helps to have a starting point.

Strange, in my (and many other people's) experience people who obsess over a game and dedicate lots of time to it tend not to be the ones who do best at school or at work. Speaking of interviews, I don't advise anybody to try: "I research boss fights really well." Most examiners will be unimpressed. :P

It's just amusing, in general, that you would assume this to be the case about someone's personal life outside of a game just because of the amount of time they put into it. I personally would correlate strong dedication demonstrated from playing a game and strong dedication to things outside of the game.

http://i.imgur.com/TL02Jdi.png

I'm afraid I can't divulge anymore personal information to you. Suffice it to say, your (and the many other peoples') experiences might be just a little off.

Don't worry: I'm sure you can come up with a witty retort the next time you post.

When this discussion has come up with new 50's in FC, I tell them that they do not need to watch videos or research the hard content, but that if they don't it may take a longer before they are able to beat (or reliably beat) content, so they should play whichever way fits them best. I do discourage them using DF if they have a problem with failing repeatedly, because it is going to frustrate them. I will never say people should conform to either mindset. Instead they should do whatever fits them best, and just group accordingly.

Then we pretty much agree. All I've been saying all along is bolded.

[Kuwagami]

If it has a set item level to get in you don't need better gear then that. Faceroll =/= Geared. HAving better gear will make it EASIER yes, but it's not REQUIRED

to the defense of this argument, titan's heart or ifrit's nails can be a little tricky with the basic il requirement if handled wrong

But yeah in perfect situtaion (and good il average, not only accessories over crappy main gear) it should work

[Hitome]

If it has a set item level to get in you don't need better gear then that. Faceroll =/= Geared. HAving better gear will make it EASIER yes, but it's not REQUIRED

Exactly! If you have the skill to compensate the lack of gear.

[Doo]

If your not enjoying the "Work" your putting into the game then your "Enjoying" it wrong.

Yeah all those gil buyers probably feel this way so they use real money to buy fake money instead. RMT is big business. So many players enjoying this game wrong. I guess you can find ways around the not enjoying part such as sniping in progress dungeon to reduce the repetitiveness of farming