Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

[Doo]

His point is that experience trumps all. Whether a Job in Information Technology, being a Surgeon, or tanking a certain EX mode boss in FFXIV...experience through learning will trump watching a video any day of the way. Period.

Experience is important. The point of videos and strategy guides is to speed up the learning process so you don't be a dead weight for a long time. In a game where 7 other players are depending on you to execute your phases/rotations it helps.

[Dracosavarian]

Experience is important. The point of videos and strategy guides is to speed up the learning process so you don't be a dead weight for a long time. In a game where 7 other players are depending on you to execute your phases/rotations it helps.

In my experience, in game experience has been far more valuable then videos or walkthroughs. Videos miss A LOT. Every dungeon I go into, I watch videos beforehand, and in my experience in almost every single situation, said videos and walkthroughs everyone is espousing has missed deeply critical information. Minor nuances of the fight that make a BIG difference.

Maybe it's because I work I.T., but in general, I never assume someone knows something. I EXPLAIN EVERYTHING when I come across someone new in a dungeon to the best of my ability. Even seemingly minor and simple stuff. It makes a huge difference in the longrun. And many, many, many of these videos fail to do just that.

[Doo]

In my experience, in game experience has been far more valuable then videos or walkthroughs. Videos miss A LOT. Every dungeon I go into, I watch videos beforehand, and in my experience in almost every single situation, said videos and walkthroughs everyone is espousing has missed deeply critical information. Minor nuances of the fight that make a BIG difference.

My Happy videos confuses me as well but there are some guides/videos that does a better job at explaining things. Like I was able to OT tank Garuda Ext in duty finder and won thanks to having watched a vid of positioning prior. It's almost a must for a tank because if we don't know positioning, we look extremely silly and the group disbands/rage quits fast.

Dungeons and other easy content I have no issues with new players trying to learn without any knowledge of it before hand and I have no issues explaining since it's all simple tank and spank. For Extreme primals and harder content, it's almost a must to what you're getting yourself into.

[Dracosavarian]

My Happy videos confuses me as well but there are some guides/videos that does a better job at explaining things. Like I was able to OT tank Garuda Ext in duty finder and won thanks to having watched a vid of positioning prior. It's almost a must for a tank because if we don't know positioning, we look extremely silly and the group disbands/rage quits fast.

Dungeons and other easy content I have no issues with new players trying to learn without any knowledge of it before hand and I have no issues explaining since it's all simple tank and spank. For Extreme primals and harder content, it's almost a must to what you're getting yourself into.

But it doesn't cover everything. An individual can watch videos all day until the cows come home to use a turn of phrase. However, it still doesn't compare to getting the actual experience in the game itself. Watch all you like. But things don't truly "Click" until you actually do it.

[Doo]

But it doesn't cover everything.

It doesn't. It's just a great tool to help players become better gamers and imo a good amount of them could benefit from it. Like watching Day 9 tv.

[Dracosavarian]

It doesn't. It's just a great tool to help players become better gamers and imo a good amount of them could benefit from it. Like watching Day 9 tv.

But it in no way should be required.

Which is what many seem to wish to enforce upon others. Because hey, reasons of selfishness and impatience.


I take things from the view of Paladin. I'm here to help people. That includes learning. Don't want to watch a video? Fine. Want to watch the CS? Sure, no problem. Need help figuring out the fight? Ok, glad to help!

It's when I deal with players who say nothing or do not take advice after the 50th death as a slight exaggeration that my own personal patience wears thin. Because it's obvious that they just don't care.

But to enforce another's beliefs upon others simply because of their own selfish reasons is not something I will ever agree with. Which is what a lot of the animosity stems from.

[Doo]

But it in no way should be required.

It's not hence why the title just says "common courtesy". You're not playing solo and others depend on you to perform your role.

People are just mad because they think "OH WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO DO EXTRA WERKZZ!! I PLAYZ FOR FUNZZIES!" I think is a bad way to look at it.