Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

[ElHeggunte]

Hear that guys?

We better not waste this dudes time while he's playing video games, hes got a job you know and evidently playing FFXIV is one of them.

Well people do set aside time for the game. It is disrespectful to the other players in your group if your inability or refusal to learn the content causes repeated wipes which in turn wastes the time of everyone else (I've never met someone who enjoys logging on to not clear content). Just because the time is being spent on something "unproductive" like a game doesn't mean it isn't valuable and doesn't mean it can't be wasted by unwanted nonsense.

[Doo]

Well people do set aside time for the game. It is disrespectful to the other players in your group if your inability or refusal to learn the content causes repeated wipes which in turn wastes the time of everyone else (I've never met someone who enjoys logging on to not clear content). Just because the time is being spent on something "unproductive" like a game doesn't mean it isn't valuable and doesn't mean it can't be wasted by unwanted nonsense.

If players didn't care about time FFXI-2 would of been made

[Jynx]

Well people do set aside time for the game.

Good for them, they knew when they signed up that they would be playing with people who might have differening opinions than they do.

Do I watch fights beforehand and try to get the fight right the first time? I sure as hell do.

Do I expect everyone to do what I do? Nope, if I want people to know their stuff from the get-go I run with people I know. I can't expect a random guy to play the game the way I want him to play, he has every right to learn the fight whatever way he wants. Will said person be shunned from "Experienced playerz only guyz" Sure why not finding a group of like minded people is part of what the game having a community should be about.

I could go on about how XIV is very anti community and fights a uphill battle as long as they keep aspects of the game so heavy in certain areas, but let's just say this isn't a problem in many games because you actually had to find people to play with instead of being randomly slotted with others.

As soon as you press that duty finder button all bets are off, There is a good chance that at least one person in your group of randomly selected people will play differently than the rest. Good thing you can you know...talk to people. If there is one stuborn guy who rammed the duty finder button expecting people to crash and burn with him when nobody else wants to, vote him out because he is disrupting your play.

Find yourself in a group with more than one member of this mindset? Vote Abandon or deal with it.

You have the tools available to you to avoid "Unwanted nonsense" but people more often choose to try the path of least resistance (Duty Finder) against the method that works (Know the people you play with) and expect others to bend to their will.

On either side of the fence there needs to be common courtesy but shunning people because of their playstyle just isn't cool nor is it fair to anyone.

Some people enjoy the game being a unknown challenge, some just want to bring the game down to a sequence of macros and forward knowledge. Both can Co-Exist, hell both can play together if their willing to bend.