Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

[Amyas]

True, there is that.

Seriously though, for all the people against the OP here, go make a party finder that says "I know absolutely nothing about this fight and would like to be carried" and see how many join. Take it a step further and make pf saying "learning party, btw I don't know anything at all myself about this, haven't watched videos or anything, cause I shouldn't have to", and see how many join.

Or, or... you could put 'training pt' and watch it fill up fairly quickly. Gotta love how people equate not watching a video to 'getting carried'. Pfft, you're wearing an i70 headpiece, tell me why I should carry you when my main is in full i90? Why are you even talking about 'carrying' when you're a scrub in scrub gear? Can't answer that?
Protip: If you're going to be elitist you better have all the best gear.

[Tazo]

Or, or... you could put 'training pt' and watch it fill up fairly quickly. Gotta love how people equate not watching a video to 'getting carried'. Pfft, you're wearing an i70 headpiece, tell me why I should carry you when my main is in full i90? Why are you even talking about 'carrying' when you're a scrub in scrub gear? Can't answer that?
Protip: If you're going to be elitist you better have all the best gear.

When you make this training PT are you looking for people who don't know anything about the fight(have done no research)? Do you yourself know the fight and don't mind teaching them about it?

What blows my mind are the people advocating that they should be able to play the way they want and have fun doing it. So instead of looking up the mechanics of the fight before starting they would rather have someone who has done that and have them explain everything (which is the same thing as doing the research yourself except you are having someone else do it for you).... This is just being lazy, plain and simple. Tell me I am wrong on this.

[Doo]

Or, or... you could put 'training pt' and watch it fill up fairly quickly. Gotta love how people equate not watching a video to 'getting carried'.

Yeah it's not really carryable Primal extremes and harder content. It would be called more of being a dead weight.

[Rivienne]

So instead of looking up the mechanics of the fight before starting they would rather have someone who has done that and have them explain everything (which is the same thing as doing the research yourself except you are having someone else do it for you).... This is just being lazy, plain and simple. Tell me I am wrong on this.

You are wrong. Those we are talking about (including myself by and large) also don't want to be told before the fight by someone else. Not sure why this is such a hard concept for you. If you want to go in blind, you don't want to stop and be explained the fight either.

But if you do run across someone who doesn't know the fight but does want some advice and asks, give it to them, it only takes a minute even for complicate fights. And then dive in.

If for whatever reason you are unwilling to do so, please just leave. Save yourself and them the frustration. Better yet, don't join the party in the first place, and avoid DF since you cannot guarantee who you will get. (And no amount of complaining on forums is going to change this)

Every learning party I have been in, a person who has not looked up the fight at all is VERY open to have someone else chew it for them and feed it to them.

Why have you ever been in a learning party if you don't approve of them?

It takes a lot more than 1min to explain any of the Primals ex, Ultima HM, Coil. This is endgame/raid as the title of the thread.

It really doesn't. You can easily explain Ultima in about 1 minute. If you can't, you probably are over-complicating it for someone who is new anyway and they won't remember anything important. The extremes, also fairly easy to explain, though harder to do (though once you get them down they are in some ways easier than HM).

You don't want shit explained to you and you don't want to research anything for yourself? Do the content the first week or so when it is released.

Not everyone started the game at the same time, or plays at the same pace, and they shouldn't be forced out of experiencing content because you think "it is lazy".

They should be able to learn in their preferred method, at their preferred pace, so long as others are also willing. (And there always are despite what your own personal experience may be).

You can phrase it anyway you want, but it is pure laziness, plain and simple.

It is pure laziness, to spend hours learning content through trial and error with other people who also want to learn it the same way? Really? I don't understand this mentality. In my mind it is pure laziness to have someone else hand feed you the solution to a puzzle so you don't have to spend time on it yourself. As I said. If you don't want to be part of such a group. Do Not Join. Problem solved. There is clearly a huge mindset difference. Honestly. They don't want you anymore then you want them. Different play styles. Neither should be forcing themselves on the other.

Edit: wait...do you even have a lv50 character and do you do endgame? If not..wtf are you even doing in this thread?

I have more than one character at endgame. I choose to leave the one I never touch as my face on the forum because it was my first not because it is my "main". Not that it is relevant.

[Tazo]

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I don't know a single person that would stay in a party where there is someone that refuses to learn the fight(have it explained) and just wants to learn from mistakes. This is beyond ridiculous. Personally I have never meet anyone who says they don't want the fight explained and/or researched themselves. Every learning party I have been in, a person who has not looked up the fight at all is VERY open to have someone else chew it for them and feed it to them.

It takes a lot more than 1min to explain any of the Primals ex, Ultima HM, Coil. This is endgame/raid as the title of the thread.

You don't want shit explained to you and you don't want to research anything for yourself? Do the content the first week or so when it is released.

You can phrase it anyway you want, but it is pure laziness, plain and simple.

Edit: wait...do you even have a lv50 character and do you do endgame? If not..wtf are you even doing in this thread?

[Noni]

This is a game people! In the real world no one cares how good you are! People play to have fun! I don't know when or why this game has gotten to the point where people think this is some sort of measure of a person....it is not! You are not going to be rewarded for being good or great for that matter and frankly no one really cares how great you are, so please just have fun!

[Kuwagami]

You don't want shit explained to you and you don't want to research anything for yourself? Do the content the first week or so when it is released.

laziest excuse ever for not bothering to try instead of being fed by other people.

"Oh I'll wait a week so others do the hard work and I can figured it ez mode and faceroll it after 2 weeks".

Who's lazy, the one who wants to try or the one who's lazy enough to let people explain everything so there is nothing left but dance practice ?

[Edellis]

I like to be surprised by what im playing. I don't play the game to help you beat it faster, i play it to enjoy it.

If you are too impatient to communicate and explain the dungeon to players, here's what you can do:

1) PF finder
2) Absurdly high ilvl requirement
3) State it in the comments


Otherwise, jump off the high horse.

[ulti_19]

True, there is that.

Seriously though, for all the people against the OP here, go make a party finder that says "I know absolutely nothing about this fight and would like to be carried" and see how many join. Take it a step further and make pf saying "learning party, btw I don't know anything at all myself about this, haven't watched videos or anything, cause I shouldn't have to", and see how many join.

You realize that watching content before actually doing it is being carried. You're being baby fed all the answers before attempting to actually have any skill as a gamer and trying to figure out how to play your class best against said dungeon or boss. Sounds like the same type of people who use strategy guides to beat games, which to me is a giant no no because it wouldn't feel like I beat it but rather someone showed me how to beat it, at least for me. Even if this is a community game, both sides, pro watchers and first time trier people lol, should be courteous of eachother and how they want to play. Just use party finder, that was suggested tons of times anyways, you can find similar minded people. I personally don't care if we have people in our party who are doing something for the first time and didn't watch a video, it's fun to see how they play, if they die, who the fu** cares, that's what happens in a video game. Same as if there's a team all comprised of people who have made it through, it's nice to get through the dungeon, but eventually even the person who hasn't 'researched' the dungeon will make it through, if they can't chances are the videos won't do them anything anyways. You're not 'pro', you're not doing any justice to yourself by spoiling all the content, you're not a better gamer because you research prior fights and mimic someone else' player style, and it should not be a common courtesy to watch end game content or dungeons before trying it yourself.

[Ferth]

I'd not expect people to watch a video for WP or ak. Or really even for Haukke, copper bell or Pharos. I could understand wanting people to watch videos for extremes just because they have a lot of mechanics throughout the fight and can't really be described.

I have no trouble explaining fights to new people if they ask. And quite frankly I hate the current trend of someone beating a fight and then posting a "guide" which is nothing more than a video from a terrible camera angle that does nothing to inform people of what is actually going on.