Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

[Kirosuu]

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so tell, why do those kind of people use df and expect them to be expert?thats the main problem.why cant those kind of people do it?or do you part of those people too?
i understand if using pf but in df?really?

also i put pride or so you call it and do my part and explaining part.spend time to explain save more time than leave them alone, right?
i was a noob like them but cant go to coil just because no experience to join coil. but im not mad. maybe bec my gear so i just grind gear.

[Hitome]

so tell, why do those kind of people use df and expect them to be expert?thats the main problem.why cant those kind of people do it?or do you part of those people too?
i understand if using pf but in df?really?

also i put pride or so you call it and do my part and explaining part.spend time to explain save more time than leave them alone, right?
i was a noob like them but cant go to coil just because no experience to join coil. but im not mad. maybe bec my gear so i just grind gear.

Why join a PF exp group when you don't have the exp? lol Same situation.

DF will always be extremes. You can hide behind anonymity and will never see most of the people there again.

Even with these hindrances, you can still learn quite a lot in DF.

Ok so aftet reading the whole thread, I am now convinced that watching videos & reading guides and stuff allows you to be able to win any content in the game..

After the obvious fact that said videos & guides were made by people going blindly... I have a little and boring question :
Why, after a month of reading and watching, and 2 weeks trying, am I still unable to go past twintania p2 ?

P2? Are you stuck on conflags or stuck on divebombs? Divebombs are the hardest part of the encounter.

Videos will help immensely on conflag, twister/dreadknight, snake burn, and liquid hellx5/egg stage. And I mean immensely. There are quite a few YT videos out right now on tactics for divebombs. There are also widgets that take all the guess work out of it.

Divebombs are something everyone needs to pass or you will most likely fail. Go watch a video. Guarantee you that you will find people saying, "Up up up" when divebombs trigger using voice comm. or mention something when the 2nd set of divebombs are about to hit. You can use macros and cooldowns to track time between the two sets of divebombs too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOA2gm0tE64

Did you learn anything about conflags/divebombs from this? "Everyone together" for fireball/"On us", people calling out names of those who have fireball/conflag. on them, Ruin calling out short conflags., people telling you when they're conflagged, where DPS needs to increase,

Not only that but you get positioning, where she should be tanked, where virus/eye are used for mitigation from party chat, how to deal with snake debuff, when to use LB/cooldowns that people call out, etc

Just so much information in one video that wasn't even meant to be a tutorial.

If people do not want beginners in their group, just CREATE yours with friends and do ALL content together. never again people to waste your time.

The same is true for people joining exp groups with no exp: form your own group. You know they have a "new players welcome" and "until we complete our duty" check mark, right? You can also put, "We're a learning group. Come join us." in your comment. I've seen quite a few of these myself. I'm glad people are using PF this way.

[Kirosuu]

Why join a PF exp group when you don't have the exp? lol Same situation.

DF will always be extremes. You can hide behind anonymity and will never see most of the people there again.

Even with these hindrances, you can still learn quite a lot in DF.

i hate it but i agree
thats why for the purpose of this discussion which only represent minority can make change even a little

[Kuwagami]

P2? Are you stuck on conflags or stuck on divebombs? Divebombs are the hardest part of the encounter.

Videos will help immensely on conflag, twister/dreadknight, snake burn, and liquid hellx5/egg stage. And I mean immensely. There are quite a few YT videos out right now on tactics for divebombs. There are also widgets that take all the guess work out of it.

Divebombs are something everyone needs to pass or you will most likely fail. Go watch a video. Guarantee you that you will find people saying, "Up up up" when divebombs trigger using voice comm. or mention something when the 2nd set of divebombs are about to hit. You can use macros and cooldowns to track time between the two sets of divebombs too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOA2gm0tE64

Did you learn anything about conflags/divebombs from this? "Everyone together" for fireball/"On us", people calling out names of those who have fireball/conflag. on them, Ruin calling out short conflags., people telling you when they're conflagged, where DPS needs to increase,

Not only that but you get positioning, where she should be tanked, where virus/eye are used for mitigation from party chat, how to deal with snake debuff, when to use LB/cooldowns that people call out, etc

Just so much information in one video that wasn't even meant to be a tutorial.

The same is true for people joining exp groups with no exp: form your own group. You know they have a "new players welcome" and "until we complete our duty" check mark, right? You can also put, "We're a learning group. Come join us." in your comment. I've seen quite a few of these myself. I'm glad people are using PF this way.

I was being really sarcastic in the comment above ^^
I did watch videos, I did read guides for twintania (and twintania only, as said before). Though theoretical knowledge is garbage when you come in action.

By P2 here, I meant the fireballs/conflags. I am a tank, so there is nothing much I can do about them except dps as much as I can waiting for the switch. My entire team know the theory, we just can't make it natural yet. Not due to failing to understand though. Just hard to put all together. On the same level, we'll surely fail horribly on dives, then on snake stacks, and then on twisters. I expect horrible deaths on DK, and the 5 hells dance will most likely be the easiest part of all considering how good we are to dance in T1 and T4 until nervous breakdown comes and we wipe in gregorian songs, that is. Anyway we'll see.

Also, I DO create beginners parties, and try again and again and wipe a lot of time. It took around 5 hours of wiping to beat ultima, but we did it. Moggle is still elusive after 3 hours. Doesn't matter, we'll learn.

The point was for QQing elitist players who don't want newbs (which is understandable, don't take me wrong) to just create a static, or LS, or whatever, with which they'll be able to one-shot everything, never have a need to explain anything... These sorts of things. If you do not want to bother with new players, then assume your acts and just create your own pro-clearer groups