Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

[Kirosuu]

We are now in the year 2014. Information is readily available to you. Refuse to use it? You get what you put in.

It's like having a student whine to me about failing a test because they didn't study prior to taking the test. No sympathy.

yeahhh you not really understand
people like you the one make a MMO feel like a job and from your example too feel like it
where the enjoy?where the fun?
those toxic community will said they got no time to play bec of job or real life so why play MMO in first place?to enjoy or to make it feel like job?

toxic community is the one that make requirement to watch video or get kick, i watch video HM ifrit and i die alot because those strategy not work for me, well thanks to some understanding japanese and random stranger for not give up, now i can do it easily
toxic community the one that use duty routlet/duty finder but get angry to newbies or people watch cutscene + with vote abandon make it worse, i already seen this,newbies get kick when he said new to dungeon
toxic community never try to teach anything to newbies,answer their question or even give suggestion about their gear/class. do you guys ever bother read someone shout ask this and that or even try help random people how to improve their class/job
toxic community cant accept any single mess up and want everyone perfect. this is normal in duty finder now...yeah normal

the biggest thing is, those who depend on watch video mostly unable make plan B in raid. easy example at Atomos in CT which need 4 people on pedestal/switch. what happen is there 4 melee dps?or 1 range 3 melee? 8 out of 10 quit, emo,mad and vote kick

[Alistaire]

You're playing a game that involves other peoples time as well as your own. If you insist on wasting those other players' time then maybe single-player games are best for you.

[Kirosuu]

You're playing a game that involves other peoples time as well as your own. If you insist on wasting those other players' time then maybe single-player games are best for you.

yeah me too and we all pay
so why not ask those toxic community use premade group instead
everyone happy but the problem is they not
premade 8 man group can be single alliance in ct or tackle any dungeon right?

[Nysneirdre]

You're playing a game that involves other peoples time as well as your own. If you insist on wasting those other players' time then maybe single-player games are best for you.

Agreed.

They should make special servers for the baddies who want to drag everyone down with their.......I want to experience the fails firsthand mentality. With their very own server types, they can all go into endgame content and drag each other down a hole.

[ruinedmirage]

You're playing a game that involves other peoples time as well as your own. If you insist on wasting those other players' time then maybe single-player games are best for you.

And how much satisfaction do YOU get when you complete a single player RPG exactly how it's written step by step from a strategy guide and looking up GameFAQs your first time through? ............. If your greatest sense of achievement is from doing that, just try playing a new single player RPG WITHOUT help once.

On the topic of watching videos, I've never watched one yet either. I think someone is more likely to absorb feedback and correct mistakes when they don't have a skewed idea of what to expect, let alone if something goes out of order from what you think you "remember" from the video. Not to mention if a fight is explained real-time, anyone can put in THEIR two cents or confirm so that everyone is on the same wavelength and the fight goes smoothly.

I was just in a Thornmarch fight with 3 brand new DPS (never saw the fight before) and 1 new tank. We took 5 minutes to rundown how the fight went and beat it the first time. It was my ONLY win out of about 8 King Mog fights today in DF. Some might say it's not a challenging fight anymore, but why do so many DFs usually fail it then? A little communication goes WAYYYYY further than any video ever will, plus you might even make some new friends.

Agreed.

They should make special servers for the baddies who want to drag everyone down with their.......I want to experience the fails firsthand mentality. With their very own server types, they can all go into endgame content and drag each other down a hole.

Spoken like someone who's never failed in their life. Congratulations on a luxurious upbringing.

[Hitome]

people like you the one make a MMO feel like a job and from your example too feel like it
where the enjoy?where the fun?
those toxic community will said they got no time to play bec of job or real life so why play MMO in first place?to enjoy or to make it feel like job?

The fun is in accomplishing things with people who share the same mentality I do: put pride into your job and understand you are playing with 7 other players so come best prepared as you can be. When you begin to think that inconveniencing 7 other players is OK, you become the problem.

toxic community is the one that make requirement to watch video or get kick, i watch video HM ifrit and i die alot because those strategy not work for me, well thanks to some understanding japanese and random stranger for not give up, now i can do it easily

Never have I seen someone say "watch a video or get kicked".

toxic community the one that use duty routlet/duty finder but get angry to newbies or people watch cutscene + with vote abandon make it worse, i already seen this,newbies get kick when he said new to dungeon

Already said you should leave learning to DF groups.

toxic community never try to teach anything to newbies,answer their question or even give suggestion about their gear/class. do you guys ever bother read someone shout ask this and that or even try help random people how to improve their class/job
toxic community cant accept any single mess up and want everyone perfect. this is normal in duty finder now...yeah normal

A toxic community is one where a majority of players do not do their research and then complain about fights being too difficult. Toxic and entitled.

the biggest thing is, those who depend on watch video mostly unable make plan B in raid. easy example at Atomos in CT which need 4 people on pedestal/switch. what happen is there 4 melee dps?or 1 range 3 melee? 8 out of 10 quit, emo,mad and vote kick

It's too bad you have no proof of this.

Also, people who watch a video are more prepared than someone going in blind.

yeahhh you not really understand

It's perhaps you that doesn't understand what a MMO is. You are playing with other people. Do your part so everyone else can do theirs.

And how much satisfaction do YOU get when you complete a single player RPG exactly how it's written step by step from a strategy guide and looking up GameFAQs your first time through? ............. If your greatest sense of achievement is from doing that, just try playing a new single player RPG WITHOUT help once.

My gameplay in a single player RPG does not affect 7 other people. Poor analogy but nice try with the fallacious reasoning.

On the topic of watching videos, I've never watched one yet either. I think someone is more likely to absorb feedback and correct mistakes when they don't have a skewed idea of what to expect, let alone if something goes out of order from what you think you "remember" from the video. Not to mention if a fight is explained real-time, anyone can put in THEIR two cents or confirm so that everyone is on the same wavelength and the fight goes smoothly.

K try that when you get to Twin and let me know how it works for you.

I was just in a Thornmarch fight with 3 brand new DPS (never saw the fight before) and 1 new tank. We took 5 minutes to rundown how the fight went and beat it the first time. It was my ONLY win out of about 8 King Mog fights today in DF. Some might say it's not a challenging fight anymore, but why do so many DFs usually fail it then? A little communication goes WAYYYYY further than any video ever will, plus you might even make some new friends.

Oh it's story time is it?

Earlier tonight on my alt, Hito Yu, I was running turn 4 with a PF group that required members to be experienced. Despite the requirement, we discussed strategy extensively before we engaged. I actually told people what to expect, what was coming, how to deal with it, where we should stand, etc.

You'll never guess what happened. The tank had no clue where the first soldier/knight dropped (something you can easily pick up from a video), had no idea the dreadknoughts cleaved (something you could observe from a video), the BLMs had no idea to AoE the double rook phase and when they did AoE, didn't know to sit in the middle because crap runs to you when you pull aggro you know, and no one knew what was coming when a soldier/knight/rook all dropped down on them. It was a complete surprise. After wiping, they asked, "What was that phase? I've never seen it/didn't know how to deal with it." after I had asked them if they knew what to expect on all phases where most of them said, "Of course." or "I've been clearing this for 7 weeks."

Hmm how could someone figure all this out..right: watch a video of the entire fight or read a text-based strategy guide.

This is the only time I've ever wiped on T4 ever since learning it 4 and a half months ago.

Spoken like someone who's never failed in their life. Congratulations on a luxurious upbringing.

Emphasis is not on failure but on people too stubborn to use resources available to them. Thought that post was pretty clear with its point.

[Kirosuu]

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so tell, why do those kind of people use df and expect them to be expert?thats the main problem.why cant those kind of people do it?or do you part of those people too?
i understand if using pf but in df?really?

also i put pride or so you call it and do my part and explaining part.spend time to explain save more time than leave them alone, right?
i was a noob like them but cant go to coil just because no experience to join coil. but im not mad. maybe bec my gear so i just grind gear.

[xenosuke1]

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yes what you say is true but tell me this, weigh the people who are willing to teach and the people who would just kick the person who doesnt know the fight? bet you 5 bucks that the the people who would jus kick the person out weighs the people who would be wiling to teach! but i understand your point. but until this elitest mindset changes you will be seeing more people who will lie than tell the truth sadly and there are less people like you around as well i commend you for being willing to help others

[Rivienne]

Did you know I can't possibly be any good? I am a failure of a player because "nobody learns without a video". I have been told this before.. Usually by someone who then eats a wotl or some silly avoidable mechanic and I have to raise them.

The biggest reason people fail content isn't because they didn't watch a video. It is because they fail to dodge, and they fail to communicate. Dodging isn't learned by a video, for most people, but by practice; and videos often seem to be used as a crutch by people who don't want to communicate with others.

Being in a social game means learning to communicate so people know that everyone is doing their part. If 4 people watched one strategy, and 3 watched a different strategy, and 1 is coming in blind; and they just all keep doing there thing over and over again, they will fail until they stop to communicate and work together. That one person who doesn't know the fight isn't going to be the reason they fail.

This is where videos fail, and the idea that you must watch one are a problem. If you want to watch one I certainly won't stop you. But better to communicate with your team, and practice dodging.

This doesn't mean I condone lying about experience. If someone wants form a party with a rule of experienced only, that is absolutely fine. But a video isn't experience. It is rarely even "know the fight". The toxic environments comes from this "overgeared/watched a video/everything is a speed run", being pushed down on people in duty finder/duty roulette or even in party finder where it isn't listed in the comments.

So a tip to those who really care about this: don't use duty finder/duty roulette; and state in your party finder comments experienced only. Anything else is clearly going to frustrate you.

For those who wish to go in blind: form your own party finder group. You will usually get people to help. Don't hijack someone else's party who clearly has a different goal in this game. Whether you agree with that goal or not.

[IzumiRaito]

This game is not SAO. U dont have to one shot everything.