Common Courtesy with End-game Raids/Dungeons

[SeleneSinclair]

Here's the irony here. Everyone wants to win, ya? Then why would you willingly participate in a party without being as prepared as possible? You don't show up to a job interview without first knowing everything about the job, and being prepared for the questions that could potentially be thrown at you.

I'm not saying walk into a boss fight like captain Einstein or something, but at least know the gist of the fight and be prepared enough that you can handle it. If you want tips, ask. Most people in the game are willing to give you a quick rundown.

People are going to bail, or boot you, for being unprepared and holding the group back. Rightfully so. If you lied, or haven't learned from your mistakes, you shouldn't won't likely ever win. That simple. And you won't...ever. Enjoy buying your run because you yourself haven't learned to contribute to the party by coming prepared.

Oh, and enjoy queuing over and over again for the same reason - your own stubborn selfishness and inability to learn a fight.

[Gandora]

Here's the irony here. Everyone wants to win, ya? Then why would you willingly participate in a party without being as prepared as possible? You don't show up to a job interview without first knowing everything about the job, and being prepared for the questions that could potentially be thrown at you.

1) Here's the Irony, looking at one video hardly make you prepared. To be prepared you need to experience the fight yourself, seeing a healer cast his cure in time wont give you the proper reflexes to cast cure at the exact good time.

2) To see a PLD take the aggro on Chirada/suparma in time & run to the right position wont magicaly give you the reflexes and the right enmity level to perform as well as in the video.

And to see a DD (BRD & BLM) fire their pew-pew wont make you a good pew-pewer, even less seeing a melee dodge, wont give you the reflexes to dodge when necessary. Do you see the Irony? thats the 1st reason why this argument is sterile.

I'm not saying walk into a boss fight like captain Einstein or something, but at least know the gist of the fight and be prepared enough that you can handle it. If you want tips, ask. Most people in the game are willing to give you a quick rundown.

Ok, what will it change if I spent one day/week watching a video from an experienced group? I am doing it (personaly) but I will hardly call that experience because I did not experience it myself, theory & practice are 2 different things. Ok I will know the paterns of the fight its positive and it will contribute for sure, will I know when Garuda will decide to wheel my face? no I wont, it could kill me & get me booted. I have been watching a video for 1 week & got killed because of one silly thing I couldn't dodge in time.. I don't understand... I studyed it like a good boy. You see the Irony here again? 2nd reason why the argument is sterile.

People are going to bail, or boot you, for being unprepared and holding the group back. Rightfully so. If you lied, or haven't learned from your mistakes, you shouldn't won't likely ever win. That simple. And you won't...ever. Enjoy buying your run because you yourself haven't learned to contribute to the party by coming prepared.

3)But wait! I spent the week watching Garuda's Vid 8h/day ! I know what I am doing ; ; !!! Please refer to 1)

Oh, and enjoy queuing over and over again for the same reason - your own stubborn selfishness and inability to learn a fight.

I like how high & mighty you talk here, like if it was incredibly exceptional to be able to learn a patern, you guys must be gifted, I mean for real! The whole "You should watch a vid" argument should really end there, because this game isn't about skill at all.. FFXI was, XIV is all based on reflexes and memory, those are 2 very different things.

To be a good driver you need to practice, the code is only to ensure you will respect the law on the road.
To be a good player you need to practice, the vid is only here to ensure you know how it will be on the fight.
For the job interview you need to revise many point, knowing everything about the job will make you aware but wont make you good at it.

Flash news! Irony & fact all in one! The code doesn't make you a good driver, The vid doesn't make you a good player, the study of a job doesn't make you good at it!

All of that just to confirm, experience > all. Not alot of people have the courage to make a "training party" because they know that 2 persons out of 8 might not stay long enough & or will want to bail due to impatience or the "sorry my FC need me" excuse.

[Jynx]

Here's the irony here. Everyone wants to win, ya? Then why would you willingly participate in a party without being as prepared as possible? You don't show up to a job interview without first knowing everything about the job, and being prepared for the questions that could potentially be thrown at you.

Looks like I need to home in on the key point here.....

You don't show up to a job interview without first knowing everything about the job, and being prepared for the questions that could potentially be thrown at you.

Not yet...

You don't show up to a job interview without first knowing everything.

Getting closer...

You don't show up to a job.

Were playing a game right not a...

job

This is a game, not a job. Some people would rather experience it fresh.

[Doo]

This is a game, not a job. Some people would rather experience it fresh.

Farming, gathering, and crafting feels like a job. Making gil feels like blue collar work since you got out into the hot summer fields or the cold winter snow and hit X, X , X , X , X , X , X /repeat. Training newbies over and over again feels jobish as well. I guess you gotta do some work even if it's a video game to have some fun?

[Jynx]

I guess you gotta do some work even if it's a video game to have some fun?

If your not enjoying the "Work" your putting into the game then your "Enjoying" it wrong.

Don't like training new players? Play with experienced played.
Don't like farming materials (I find it rather satisfying to farm and craft my own items, "Fun" even) Don't do it, people buy things for a reason, because they don't want to make it themselves.

You can "Make gil" doing the things you find "Fun" Dungeons, Fates, Leves. Any content that doesn't generate or have a way to generate gil often pays out in dividens that makes you not need to spend gil to keep playing (Myth tomes and Allagan gear drops). You could call playing any part of the game "Work" if you wanted to break it down to hillariously nonsensicle simple tasks as you did.

"Guess I gotta "Work" if I want to beat Titan EX, I press my combo rotation and make sure I don't stand in them red cirlces or get pushed off the cliff, when I'm done I punch my timecard and call it a day and go have some fun by going to work in real life!"

[Doo]

If your not enjoying the "Work" your putting into the game then your "Enjoying" it wrong.

Yeah all those gil buyers probably feel this way so they use real money to buy fake money instead. RMT is big business. So many players enjoying this game wrong. I guess you can find ways around the not enjoying part such as sniping in progress dungeon to reduce the repetitiveness of farming

[OPneedNerfs]

Claiming watching videos doesnt help while saying you're repeatedly wiping to the same mechanic over and over again even after doing it tons of times... that doesn't show videos arent helpful, it just shows you're bad.

[Goodberry]

Right. A game, not a job. Taking the game a bit less seriously would do a lot of good to the community. Being a little HUMBLER would do a lot of good too. If I were impressed by people posing as Einstein, I'd go to a physics forum.

[Dracosavarian]

Too many people take this so seriously, seeming to me to feel more then just a tad bit of anger that someone hasn't watched videos and comes into a fight unaware of what is happening or what will happen. I say unaware because unprepared I feel is an ill fitting word for this debate. You are never truly prepared for what will come. Only experience and time grants you that little bonus. But as to people's feelings, yeah...more then just a little vitriol. Back before the patch when repair costs were astronomical, I could kind of understand. Now? Not so much.

As many have stated. This is a game. Something of enjoyment and pleasure. While there can be the counter argument of "I need my enjoyment too! So why aren't you watching videos to contribute to my own success and that of the group!? ", I feel it is a bit of a selfish avenue to take. Yes, everyone has their own reasons for doing as they will. Some players like to go into dungeons by fly by the seat of their pants methods, and generally I feel Duty Finder is fine for this. But honestly a lot of this thread is not coming off as common courtesy. Rather, it's coming off as people expecting others to do as they wish. Not an overly healthy attitude to take IMO. But that's just me.

If folks are really hung up on requirements and enforcing any of their wishes, Party Finder is there to fulfill your every need. In that setup, it's understandable to impose your own rules. Especially if you are creating the party.

Oh, and Hitome. I did read over your stuff, but the basic matter is, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree. I wouldn't let it bother you as it seems it has. There are far more important things in life to get worked up over compared to a disagreement with some random person on the internet. *Shrugs* Don't let it bother you.

[DreXxiN]

Why is this ever still a topic? If you're with randoms, expect nothing and teach whatever needs to be taught. If you want experienced groups, create one or join one with the expectations of your liking.

It doesn't take a debate, and this is coming from someone who mostly one shots T5 weekly.