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    @ Darkhold Discussion and possible 1.18 Job System

    This is a minor re-post but adding it to a new topic so it gets more attention.


    Quote Originally Posted by Foxclon
    こんにちは。

    今回実装されるレイドダンジョンは、一言で言えば「高難易度」と想定されています。中でも特に皆さんが気にされているボスモンスターの難易度について、開発チームと確認してきました。

    ゼメール要塞の場合ですと、特技ランク50の8人PTが役割を明確にしたうえで、且つ単に通常の敵の強い版ということではなく、ボスモンスターにあった専用の戦い方をしないと倒すことができないとのことでした。

    私自身もまだ触れていませんが、これは楽しみですね
    Quote Originally Posted by Foxclon
    The upcoming dungeons are estimated to be, in a nutshell, "really hard". I also confirmed the dungeon boss's difficulty with the dev team.

    If you ever hope to defeat The Dzemael Darkhold dungeon boss, you will need to clearly assign roles amongst your specialized party of 8 rank 50 players. Furthermore, you can't just think of the boss as just a strong version of an ordinary monster. You will need to use special, boss-specific strategies to achieve victory.

    I haven't played it myself yet, but I am looking forward to it


    Everyone completely missed an important line and some important facts in the other thread.

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    If you ever hope to defeat The Dzemael Darkhold dungeon boss, you will need to clearly assign roles amongst your specialized party of 8 rank 50 players.
    Specialized party? This sounds like a hint towards new job system to me. If 1.18 housed new job system + dungeons this would be a massive step forward.

    Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.
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    Are four players required to enter rank 25+ raids? And 8 for 45+?
    Currently, yes. Rank 25+ raids will require four players to enter, and rank 45+ raids will require a full party of 8. This is a result of the balancing that is done inside of the actual raid, along with ensuring proper load on the servers are maintained. With the release of patch 1.18 we will monitor the comments and feedback from the community and re-evaluate as necessary and implement variations as needed.
    You cannot "solo" a dungeon. Unless you bring in 3 or 7 other people to AFK and let you do the work then it wont happen. Or if you multi-box multiple Characters. Either way I doubt we will be seeing it done for a very long time.



    While #1 is JUST SPECULATION I Hope this brightens people's outlook on 1.18 a little bit more.
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    Last edited by Richard; 06-22-2011 at 06:35 PM.

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    I'm still dubious that jobs will be anywhere near 1.18 release. Hell they might not even be a 1.19 thing.

    Other than that I AM looking forward to the patch whenever it decides to roll out here. hopefully we hear something about a patch date soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jynx View Post
    I'm still dubious that jobs will be anywhere near 1.18 release. Hell they might not even be a 1.19 thing.

    Other than that I AM looking forward to the patch whenever it decides to roll out here. hopefully we hear something about a patch date soon.
    I'm gonna go with a Producers Letter on the 8th and patch on the 11th. And yeah it's SO HARD to try and not get a little enthusiastic at Yoshida's "slip of the tongue" in regards to specialized parties in 1.18 dungeons - but I really can't help it. It may be completely nothing in the end and I'll be fine with it. But then again...
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    Dungeons are supposed to be in 1.18 and they said jobs were supposed to be for things like dungeons.

    So at the very least their wording is misleading.
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    Probably jobs will be in 1.20 imo. These first 2 dungeons will be suitable for the actual classes probably.
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    Yeah I kinda get a sneaky feeling jobs will be in for 1.18 or at least the basic framework for them. Still wondering how they are going to add them are they going to flash them out with a storyline and their own guilds, may in Ishgard ^^ or is it just a bolt on to the guilds we have already. I think it would be great to tie them in with the opening of Ishgards gates but do you think they will open them in 1.18. I wouldn't have thought so but you never know.
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    I just like the part about it being intended to be uber hard im dying for this type of challenge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    This is a minor
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    Specialized party? This sounds like a hint towards new job system to me. If 1.18 housed new job system + dungeons this would be a massive step forward.
    I hope your right,wouldn't it be terrible if you couldn't beat the boss without jobs and SE didn't release them in the patch.Like "you wanted hard,here you go f***ers!" Id ROTFL yet cry a little inside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptGrimlock View Post
    I hope your right,wouldn't it be terrible if you couldn't beat the boss without jobs and SE didn't release them in the patch.Like "you wanted hard,here you go f***ers!" Id ROTFL yet cry a little inside.
    I could see that happening, they give us our hard dungeon to shut us up but the only way to beat it is with jobs which have not yet been implemented ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by CptGrimlock View Post
    I hope your right,wouldn't it be terrible if you couldn't beat the boss without jobs and SE didn't release them in the patch.Like "you wanted hard,here you go f***ers!" Id ROTFL yet cry a little inside.
    I'd actually have fun doing the dungeon Without jobs and then With jobs, just to see the changes by first person =)
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