[Suggestion] Introduce Raid Leader in-game Parser.

[NeoAmon]

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On a personal level I would love for the parser to work in any situation without restrictions. However, I posted a thread earlier last week about wanting an accurate parser, I was crucified. So I decided to let the thread die, post a new one with restrictions that guarantee no abuse or harassment to gather players support. What I got now is most players ignoring/not reading everything I wrote in the OP, jump to conclusion and assume the worst. I tried to account for everything by suggesting the restrictions, yet the majority did not even bother to read them. At least that what I understood so far from those who object.

I don't understand why players would object to a useful tool, can't be abused with the restrictions I suggested.

[SarcasmMisser]

The thing is that even if it's raid leader only, it can be abused badly. So there is no way to stop abuse, much like there is no way to stop people from ignoring the OP just to vent about parsers. As I said they have a barrow to push and lets face it, that's what most posts are here. They can't control what happens to them in game, so they come here looking for an argument to give the illusion that they can do something about it.

So seeking a compromise is futile. May as well stick to your guns.

[Felis]

I would be ok for a parser that only show the dmg from the user to the user. This is for getting better yourself.
I'm not ok with a parser that show the dmg from the other party members to the user. This would be used for controlling the others.

[NightWrath]

Man phrase are a must for thus who want to use their class on the max, before use it i never realized that autoatk+barrage was the thing that put the most total damage in my bard, around ~33% of my total dmg every single battle, before that i atk boss with my back turn to it and stuff. now i'm always worried to face the mob as much as i can even when dodging.

also lets face, an ubber dps make some battle way easier, why wouldn't someone il 90 from a long time want to play with ppl as geared as him, and willing to dps in a hardcore way like him, i'm u create a pf u should be allow to check other ppl dps and kick them if they do no exceed ur lowest expetattion

[Nekodar]

The same story with Windower as well. SE never officially endorsed it yet they never banned players for using it, either since..you know..it's kind of important to be able to alt tab out of a game. lol

As far as I know, they did ban players for using Windower.
While it may have been that they can't detect it running, talking about running it can be proof enough, or simply by detecting patterns that were simply not possible without it.
And it was used to give Windower users unfair advantages, so definitely was ban-worthy.

[Abigs]

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you're only crucified by baddies sir.. as of the moment, can anyone explain how parsers can be 'abused' if you are doing well?


tank dying? check healer HPS.. if its high, then most likely the prob is with the tank.. if its low, then its with the healer.. no more pointing fingers, no more covering for your friend.. meters are neutral and accurate no more favoritism since the facts are clearly shown

group wipes due to dps races (all ex primals have this) ?.. boot 1 guy instead of reforming the whole group.. no need to point fingers and cause drama where everything's on the parser.. yes its easy to check for threat, but what if you have multiple targets? you can't easily check for all of those at the same time to give an accurate measure

kindly explain to me how this can be abused? especially since you already have a preliminary 'gear ilvl check'.. so if they're full i90s but still have sloppy dps what do u want to do? again, spoil the fun and time of 7 other people?

id say gearscoring people is more abusable than parsers such that most of the i75 and below have trouble finding a group or even trying the content.. how the hell would people improve their gear if they can't even find a group?

meters are fine, its not elitism.. in school, at work, or in any given occasion you are expected to have 'some' level of standard.. is 200 even that hard to achieve? ive seen so many posts about people breaking 300.. if 200 is too high then set your standards to 150


im sure a lot of people would want to clear the content.. and at least parsers can help you do that in weeding your group to point out where to improve.. if you have problems with people who are meter whores, then simply do-not-play-with-them

again first post says this is only an FC measure so please do not cry and go ballistic on how this will be abused on DF (as if DF isnt abusing vote abandon enough to get a 'hail mary' group by chance)

[EasymodeX]

It's just my opinion though, I could care less if it was put into the game, I just wont like eventual negative side effects it would have.

I absolutely 100% guarantee that people are more than willing to harass other players for any perceived lack of performance, parsers or no.

Parsers just make the harassment more accurate and less pipe-dream.

[Orophin]

Sounds like something that would require too much development time for very limited exposure. If this is for a premade FC group there shouldn't really be an issue with people using parsers to point out problems, assuming this is something that is standard within your FC's rules/general understandings.

The problem is, a lot of people don't use parsers for their intended purpose. It isn't a tool to point the finger at DF/PF people who you don't even know. It *can* give you a good idea of where there are problems, and as a party leader for a PF group it gives you the ability to disband and reinvite people who you feel will get through the encounter. It however, is NOT a tool to publicly put the blame on someone because that is Harassment and is a reportable TOS violation.

[Hitome]

As far as I know, they did ban players for using Windower.

You're welcome to post a thread to me where this was the case. ^^ Never, in the 8 years I spent playing 11, did I see such a conversation with a GM about Windower and/or seeing a person banned for it.

[Nekodar]

You're welcome to post a thread to me where this was the case. ^^ Never, in the 8 years I spent playing 11, did I see such a conversation with a GM about Windower and/or seeing a person banned for it.

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/571/...sing-windower/

There are other reports out there of people being banned for using Windower...
Windower was more than just a tool to let you alt-tab without crashing.