[Suggestion] Introduce Raid Leader in-game Parser.

[Sub-Xero]

I feel sorry for your threads Sparda. You want to focus the issue but people like Sub-Xero are just going to debate their existence because ultimately it's the only stake they have in the matter. Well reasoned arguments just make the debate circular because they have a barrow to push and will strawman and generalize and conflate to keep it going. You may as well give up.

Ugh... I guess I need to, for the first time ever, use a TL;DR for my original reply.

TL;DR version of my original reply: Parsers are not the problem, people are. Since parsers will never tell the entire story and people are too stupid to pay attention to what's actually going on, SQUARE ENIX is probably not going to officially endorse parsers since it doesn't fall in line with the stance of "everything is used to harass other players".

Oh and what wasn't "well reasoned" about anything I said in my original reply?

[Sunarie]

People are foolish to think that we *need* an official parser. Let us use what we have now and since we run the parties we go with, we'll just kick those who are not up to par (by leaving ourselves). Let those people never know they aren't doing proper rotations unless they take it upon themselves to get better.

...which will never happen. That's how lazy people are.

While that's all good in theory, it doesn't really work in practice. I can go from group to group and have one person in each group that's really just not pulling their weight at all, maybe even doing less dps than the tank. There's no way currently to know to stay away from that person, and take the people with you who are pulling their weight. A parser isn't a "free pass", and is actually a tool that can help people recognize they aren't pulling their weight, or the reason that dps check is failing is because of one weak link in a group that can be replaced.

That's not to say we "need" it.. we don't technically need anything in the game. It would be an extremely useful tool though. Granted, it's going to be abused by some folks, just like ilvl is currently abused by some folks. If it's not something available outside of the pre-made groups though, that cuts down on the random abuse of Duty Finder groups. Any pre-made groups that would abuse it are likely already "abusing" the ilvl currently in game.

[Vespar]

I actually hate parser's. I feel like it takes the fun out of playing a game, and often fosters a negative competitive, and at times, even an elitist attitude towards other players or classes.
Not to mention, all classes are not created equal in terms of dmg output, so all a parser really does in my opinion is measure how much your character's damage was and give the highest dps some bragging rights. (Which is pretty much the same concept as measuring e-peens, isn't it?)

It's just my opinion though, I could care less if it was put into the game, I just wont like eventual negative side effects it would have.

[Exstal]

While that's all good in theory, it doesn't really work in practice. I can go from group to group and have one person in each group that's really just not pulling their weight at all, maybe even doing less dps than the tank. There's no way currently to know to stay away from that person, and take the people with you who are pulling their weight. A parser isn't a "free pass", and is actually a tool that can help people recognize they aren't pulling their weight, or the reason that dps check is failing is because of one weak link in a group that can be replaced.

That's not to say we "need" it.. we don't technically need anything in the game. It would be an extremely useful tool though. Granted, it's going to be abused by some folks, just like ilvl is currently abused by some folks. If it's not something available outside of the pre-made groups though, that cuts down on the random abuse of Duty Finder groups. Any pre-made groups that would abuse it are likely already "abusing" the ilvl currently in game.

I mean let us use LogRep, ACT, FFXIVAPP to find the dead weight and simply eject them from our parties or simply leave, no reason to waste your time carrying people who won't try. Only downside is, if you wanted to help the person who is the weak link you can't because it's harassment.

[Sunarie]

I mean let us use LogRep, ACT, FFXIVAPP to find the dead weight and simply eject them from our parties or simply leave, no reason to waste your time carrying people who won't try. Only downside is, if you wanted to help the person who is the weak link you can't because it's harassment.

And I think what the OP is asking for is it not being a bannable offense to tell someone their dps, which I personally don't have a problem with as long as it's not harassing said person. Saying, "Hey, your dps sucks you @#$%ing suck, you should kill yourself" would definitely be abuse. However saying, "hey, your dps is a bit low, what rotation are you using? Ideally you should be at ### to get past this phase of the fight."

I don't really get your argument now anyway. It's lazy to have an in game parser that's within game rules, but not lazy to use third party software for parsing to do the same thing you would with an in-game parser?

[Edellis]

Even with the hardest content avaliable in this game, there's no reason for this to exist.

There's nothing worse than an MMO boiling down to an excel chart. Min-Maxers have their own devices for dealing with this -- make an FC and keep it to yourself. This is nowhere close to being a priority for SE, and that's even if they would consider doing it in the first place...


You're literally asking for an easier means of which to justify pointing fingers and kicking players from your party. Sorry, that can do absolutely nothing good for any community.

[Edenholt]

My reasons to be against parsers (based on experiences in other games):

1 - I don't want to be under the watch of strangers, posting in chat the raid dps after each trash pull, like it already happens.
2 - If without much information on the screen players already mess up mechanics, imagine if they go all "omg omg omg, must keep my DPS high!". (this one already happens, too!)
3 - If i wanna perfection, I stay with my static only. If I PuG then I have to expect more of a random skill lvl from the random players that will join my group. If I start policing everybody's performance I will start joining more blacklists than RMT's.

PS: if you don't wanna PuGs to "waste your time", don't PuG.
PPS: Many ppl are openly admitting to use parsers in this thread, I suggest you guys to edit your posts. :P

[NeoAmon]

Yeah..it does amaze me how 90% of the posters did not bother to read the OP. Each assumes what he/she wants to go ahead with their soap opera story. This is really unreasonable, dismiss the idea before even reading. Take post #31 for example, posts reasons that were already accounted for in the OP, yet....sigh.

[Exstal]

I don't really get your argument now anyway. It's lazy to have an in game parser that's within game rules, but not lazy to use third party software for parsing to do the same thing you would with an in-game parser?

I was kind of vague of what I was trying to show but I don't think we need an in-game parser. It would certainly be very helpful for calculating tricky classes' dps (looking at you, SMN) but what we have now is definitely good enough. Although, I heard a rumour that SE already has an in-game parser they just have to turn it on (probably based on the PvP one). If that's the case..just flip the on-switch and ban any 3rd party versions.

I don't really like the idea of it being limited to FC raids. That seems a little unnecessary since you can just use the 3rd party ones, which as long as you don't do non-ToS stuffs, you won't get banned or warned. That and FC members generally don't break down into chronic depression when you tell them they need to pick up the slack.

[Ronyx]

Definitely NO to this. Also DPS arent afraid of anything cuz they always blame Tanks or Healers when things go bad. The only thing I wish is that SE stop making more and more DPS test/runs fights like Ultima, Thornmarch, ALL Extremes, Titan HM, Coil 4 and 5.