[Suggestion] Introduce Raid Leader in-game Parser.

[NeoAmon]

I learned two facts today, these facts made me want to post a new thread instead or replying to a dead thread.

The two facts are:

• SE do not like 3rd party software such as parsers and willing to issue a warning to anyone who mention them in game.
  
• DD Players are afraid of being told they are doing terrible and have their DPS go public in party chat. I know I could have worded this better but it is what it is.

Now, I'm trying to avoid any clash with all DD players. So please, keep reading before you lawyer up.

Tanks & Healers errors are easily seen in the game. However for DD players, it is not as obvious unless they died in the encounter. Parsers can and will point out weakness and strength of each player in the team. Raid leader can use such tool to further improve his/her own team.

In short:

1. Introduce accurate & detailed in-game Parser.
2. This feature is only available outside DF & PF. Available only to a formed FC Raid of at least 8 players.
3. Only the Raid leader have access to it.
4. Solo players can have access to it for practice and theory crafting.
5. The Parser shows total damage, average encounter DPS, fight duration, spells/skills damage breakdown for each player, death counter, and isolate Limit Break Damage from the player who initiated it.

I believe this way we can avoid harassment and abuse. We can greatly improve our own damage by testing out skills/spells/rotations solo. FC Raid leaders can identify weakness within their own Coil groups and help players improve and strive for new goals instead of relying on feelings.

I'm really hoping this time I don't read soap opera stories in this thread. The suggestion is limited, can't be used in DF and PF. Only one person within your own FC group can use it, your own Raid leader.

[Mardel]

Ya... I don't see this happening because [insert random development excuse here] followed with something about [casual players blah blah].

[Battlewrench]

I don't think its needed. Most of the player made gear checks are far to high and most the fights you just need to know the mechanics.

[Skies]

You are wrong about the first fact, NeoAmon
SE is in fact okay with third party parsers (although they warn you to use those at your own risk), what they are not okay with are programs which directly affect the XIV client... Of which at least one of the more well-known parsers do as it can display overlays that the game does not naturally have. I didn't even know it did that, actually, until I checked the thinger again after hearing some rumors.

[NeoAmon]

You are wrong about the first fact, NeoAmon
SE is in fact okay with third party parsers (although they warn you to use those at your own risk), what they are not okay with are programs which directly affect the XIV client... Of which at least one of the more well-known parsers do as it can display overlays that the game does not naturally have. I didn't even know it did that, actually, until I checked the thinger again after hearing some rumors.

Maybe, just those reddit posts are making me panic about it. In any case, it does not matter, I want SE in game parser .

[Hyrist]

Not going to happen.

SE has a firm stance about keeping the task of deconstructing the mechanics of the game to the players. And they really don't like the influence reverse-engineering does to the game and its community. They wouldn't create an in-game mechanic that violates these principles, especially seeming how easily they can be misused.

[Ninix]

SE will never do this. When we get the addon API (if we *ever* get it, which considering the lack of updates since pre-launch interviews, I'm starting to worry about), then there will be in-game officially allowed DPS parsers.

In the meantime, you don't really have to worry. They're not gonna ban everyone who uses a parser. When asked if parsers are allowed, all GMs **MUST** reply with the stock "All third party software is against the ToS and is not allowed" response, because to do otherwise would seem like an official endorsement of a particular piece of third party software, which they absolutely will not do.

They are not going to add some detection code into the game to look for people running parsers and ban them. They'd take out probably a quarter of their players, and almost all of the serious endgame ones. It's just not a good business decision.

They are not going to ban people for casually mentioning that they use DPS parsers in chat either.

What they will ban for is when someone using a DPS parser calls out another player for their performance and uses it as an excuse to treat them like crap and behave like a jerk. As long as you aren't doing that, and you aren't spamming shout chat with download links for parsers, you are fine.

[Pinworms]

Access to this should not be restricted to just the raid leader if it were to be implemented into the game. I do not think it should be put into the game period. Nothing but problems.

[Muzy]

I personally feel it's a reasonable compromise, seeing as that any tool is abusable, no matter how well intentioned it is. I like having access to this kind of information for myself and for in FC/Static useage, I really don't care when it comes to doing stuff with randoms, as long as things are getting done.

[remidi]

Sadly it won't happen. All of the bad players that don't know how to do their rotations will complain and will get defensive and call us elitist....... I just use the FFAPP and if I see someone doing very poorly I remove them from the group or remake a new one. However the biggest cause of failures I have dealt with have nothing to do with peoples DPS. They usually fail at mechanics.

I have to join PF groups on my MNK by using accessories from my WAR due to the silly ilvl requirements some people set. Aside from one EXTitan run I have been top DPS with all DL gear and primal claws. There are many people in this game new to raiding in MMO's and its very obvious. I shouldn't be beating people in DPS who are in full allagan gear......

My first EXtitan kill was a PF grp I made with a ilvl 75 requirement.

Parses/damage meters make me a better DD.

They should let us use addons. That is one of the biggest reasons why WoW is still a powerhouse. Customization. PC gamers LOVE to customize their rigs and games. This game needs addons badly...very badly.