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    AppleCrumble's Avatar
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    Apple Crumble
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    Lich
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    Conjurer Lv 45
    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    Parsers are against ToS on FFXIV because they don't want people judging others over doing 10-30 DPS lower against someone doing 100 DPS lower. This does not mean a carry if they are attempting THEIR BEST.

    If they're trying their best, and the party wipes due to not meeting a DPS Check(i.e. Titan EX, Bismarck EX), then the best someone can do is give them tips, or if possible at the very least ask if they're on the same server so they can help them improve.
    What if they don't improve?

    What if your 6 wipes deep, that 1 DPS isn't hitting good numbers and is the weakest link?

    Where do you draw the line with complacency?

    I'm all for helping others, but if your stuck with people who aren't improving, you only have 1 choice.
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    ChameleonMS's Avatar
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    Jordan O'niell
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    Gilgamesh
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Let me start off by saying, I would like an official in game parser, mostly so I can improve my own game play. As console player, I am generally in dark about my exact numbers.
    The aggro meter is decent gage of my relative DPS performance. I tend to be a little lower on that gauge than some others I regularly play with simply because I make it a point to use aggro reducers more often than they do. As DPS, I do not want to be the tank. IMO, DPS that rip aggro simply because they do not bother to use these reducers are careless DPS.

    Quote Originally Posted by AppleCrumble View Post
    What if they don't improve? ... I'm all for helping others, but if your stuck with people who aren't improving, you only have 1 choice.
    You have 3 choices actually.
    1. Vote Abandon - if the run is going that badly it will likely pass.
    2. Leave and take your time penalty - I never worry about the time penalty, as there are many other things to do in this game to pass the time.
    3. Vote to Kick

    Your point of view is typically revolving around PUGs. Which where the most where abuse is going to happen.
    I am not attempting to take high and mighty stance here. I have kicked players for grossly under performing in the past and will do so again in the future. How long you live with that players under performance will determine how whether you are being abusive or not. Give a fair chance, your 6 wipes, and you fully justified. Give them, 0 to 1 wipe and you are being abusive. Numbers in between are very subjective.
    I do not need a DPS meter to tell me when some one is botching the mechanics and not improving.
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    Last edited by ChameleonMS; 07-09-2015 at 05:07 AM.