FFXIV parser/DPS meter

[Sparky]

I believe the original parser read purely from the log .txt file. There may have been improvements such reading from memory, however I don't currently use it so I really don't know.

[Bubba_Drunk]

@Doomhammer I can only disagree, as main healer for most of my MMORPG career and my brother being a main tank for a vastly longer period of time, we would both say that the DPS meters and such in WoW only became a hindrance for quite a few dungeons. Especially with FFXIV, the numbers do not reflect skill and neither does gear. I repeatedly out heal higher geared characters with ease, and I can DPS with the best of them. The actual numbers mean nothing to me, so long as the job is being accomplished, gauging yourself is easy for a tank/healer. For DPS you gotta learn your class and its abilities, all of this only comes from experience, not a meter.

I was kicked once in Titan hardmode because someone looked at my gear after a wipe, but (surprisingly) everyone failed to question the players getting hit by plumes for no reason at all. This kind of attitude only gets worse with meters and its unacceptable, this is a game not a job.

[Zacban]

I don't really see a problem.. If you're getting kicked because you're underperforming, then that's on you. And just what is the point of any of the parses if you have absolutely nothing to compare it to?

What's the problem with a little internal competition in your raid group? It'll help keep your dps entertained on T1 on farm run 86 on your way to T5. If people are using it to point fingers in a tight knit raid group then I am sorry to tell you. The problem isn't the meter.

[xEscaflownex]

Niwashi, you keep bringing up these hypothetical situations, I AM a BRD, who has done all the content in the game repeatedly, I apply Ballad and Foe's when and where it is needed, and am still almost always at the top of DPS, running a meter in no way impairs my ability to use skills when they need to be used...

Anyone who would be distracted so much by a parser that it would negatively affect their performance, are the same people parsers are needed to identify, those incompetent at playing their jobs.

In many instances where some DPS check isn't met and the party wipes, someone(s) always says "Why is Damage so low, anyone running parse", no one knows who to point the finger at, until someone says yep

"BRD xxx, MNK xxx, DRG xxx, BLM xxx"

"oh hey (Job) you are pretty low on DPS"

"oh crap, really, I'll do better this time"

his DPS improves and win fight.

This happens all the time, some people need a kick in the butt, they get distracted or mess up their rotations and don't even know how bad they are doing until someone tells them, then they get in gear and perform better.

[Viar]

I'd love to get ACT to work. I'd have much more reason to despair over melee's DPS in Titan EX where most of farm groups can't even get Titan to lift his ass in the second phase until he drops the first set of bombs. That said, aggro bars are currently good enough for me.

If a healer's above me in aggro chart, it's either me underperforming or healer zealously overhealing. If more than one melee DPS is still below me after 2 min mark with a small downtime, they're underperforming. Honestly, if I'm at the second place in aggro in 8-man content the whole fight, not just the opener, something's pretty wrong with the group.

[Souljacker]

Parsers are needed. It's just a tool. If you are afraid that someone will use the tool to point out that you are underperforming, the answer to that is: perform better. It's that simple in life, it's that simple in games. I agree that no one is allowed to be abusive and that's what the report functions are for, but that's a poor excuse to keep tools out of the hands of responsible users.

No one is kicking someone out of a party for a 10-30 dps difference. They will kick you for a 100-200 dps difference and honestly, if you are underperforming THAT much you are being Carried.

That's another form of harassment. I don't want to Carry you and you do not have the right to decide not to learn the game and perform so that you can be lazy and force me and others to Carry you. And then argue against parsers so that no one finds out you are being Carried.

[AppleCrumble]

Whats the problem with people pointing out that someone is slacking?

[HyperiusUltima]

Parsers are against ToS on FFXIV because they don't want people judging others over doing 10-30 DPS lower against someone doing 100 DPS lower. This does not mean a carry if they are attempting THEIR BEST.

If they're trying their best, and the party wipes due to not meeting a DPS Check(i.e. Titan EX, Bismarck EX), then the best someone can do is give them tips, or if possible at the very least ask if they're on the same server so they can help them improve.

[AppleCrumble]

Parsers are against ToS on FFXIV because they don't want people judging others over doing 10-30 DPS lower against someone doing 100 DPS lower. This does not mean a carry if they are attempting THEIR BEST.

If they're trying their best, and the party wipes due to not meeting a DPS Check(i.e. Titan EX, Bismarck EX), then the best someone can do is give them tips, or if possible at the very least ask if they're on the same server so they can help them improve.

What if they don't improve?

What if your 6 wipes deep, that 1 DPS isn't hitting good numbers and is the weakest link?

Where do you draw the line with complacency?

I'm all for helping others, but if your stuck with people who aren't improving, you only have 1 choice.

[ChameleonMS]

Let me start off by saying, I would like an official in game parser, mostly so I can improve my own game play. As console player, I am generally in dark about my exact numbers.
The aggro meter is decent gage of my relative DPS performance. I tend to be a little lower on that gauge than some others I regularly play with simply because I make it a point to use aggro reducers more often than they do. As DPS, I do not want to be the tank. IMO, DPS that rip aggro simply because they do not bother to use these reducers are careless DPS.

What if they don't improve? ... I'm all for helping others, but if your stuck with people who aren't improving, you only have 1 choice.

You have 3 choices actually.
1. Vote Abandon - if the run is going that badly it will likely pass.
2. Leave and take your time penalty - I never worry about the time penalty, as there are many other things to do in this game to pass the time.
3. Vote to Kick

Your point of view is typically revolving around PUGs. Which where the most where abuse is going to happen.
I am not attempting to take high and mighty stance here. I have kicked players for grossly under performing in the past and will do so again in the future. How long you live with that players under performance will determine how whether you are being abusive or not. Give a fair chance, your 6 wipes, and you fully justified. Give them, 0 to 1 wipe and you are being abusive. Numbers in between are very subjective.
I do not need a DPS meter to tell me when some one is botching the mechanics and not improving.