FFXIV parser/DPS meter

[Viridiana]

If you've got a bard who could use his songs to boost the black mage's damage output and dramatically help the group's overall damage, or instead could focus solely on his own personal DPS, the use of DPS meters would encourage the later. They make people less apt to work together because they're being judged individually and not by their contribution to the group.

Foe Requiem has no effect on a BRD's dps beyond the 3 seconds it takes to cast it. Most fights have a gap where you can use it while the boss is invulnerable, meaning it has 0 effect. Any BRD using that as a justification needs to learn what he's doing.

[Niwashi]

Foe Requiem has no effect on a BRD's dps beyond the 3 seconds it takes to cast it. Most fights have a gap where you can use it while the boss is invulnerable, meaning it has 0 effect. Any BRD using that as a justification needs to learn what he's doing.

It doesn't (apart from that 3 seconds) affect his DPS when compared to itself (e.g. his DPS in this fight as compared to his DPS in another fight where he used slightly different tactics). If he's the one looking at his own DPS, that's the sort of comparison he's likely to be making.

If, however, it's the rest of the group looking at everyone's DPS, and comparing the Bard's DPS output to the Black Mage's DPS output, it does hurt him there. It sets up a situation where, instead of trying to help the entire team, he's effectively competing against his own teammates to try to out-DPS each other. That situation does discourage things like Foe Requiem or any other support skill that helps your teammates perform better.

This is why a number of people (myself included) would only support a DPS meter if it's limited to showing you only your own DPS and not anybody else's —to avoid competition within what's supposed to be a cooperative team.

[Kn1ghty]

I do not like the idea of Parsers. the reason why is simple. The community it all comes down too that. The community wants too be able too have these and use them too find the weakest link in the party. and then kick then. I find this a form of Harassment. how would you like it being in let's say Titan Hard battle for your relic. The group has issues with damage too the heart. next thing you see is a vote too abanddon and poof your kicked from party with no word. or running CT.. and next thing you know your sitting back in town cause you did not meet the groups standards. this is harassment and not allowed by the ToS. I know people are saying it is for personal reasoning and to help them be better at the job. But it is only human nature too abuse these things. It has happened in many MMOs to date. Lets not have it or allow it in FF. thank you

Couldnt have said that better myself.

[AppleCrumble]

1000 character limit rubbish!

If you are not performing up to expected standards or you are the weakest link, you should by every right be removed from the group. You are spoiling other peoples enjoyment of the game. If you need more time to practice and learn, then by all means go ahead and do this. But you do NOT have the right to hold back other players and their enjoyment of the game.

And saying its a form of harassment is complete rubbish.

[Kamidel]

All the same I personally have been kicked while on my Mch while doing Titan HM as a roulette and having wiped only ONCE. If some players want to check their own DPS fine and dandy but I have been in other MMOs where they can and will kick certain classes solely based on their DPS output or will kick a new player between pulls for not meeting the expected DPS for that class.

So in short I do not think parsers should be allowed to gather and read ALL info but I do think they should be able to be used and read that players DPS.

[AppleCrumble]

All the same I personally have been kicked while on my Mch while doing Titan HM as a roulette and having wiped only ONCE. If some players want to check their own DPS fine and dandy but I have been in other MMOs where they can and will kick certain classes solely based on their DPS output or will kick a new player between pulls for not meeting the expected DPS for that class.

So in short I do not think parsers should be allowed to gather and read ALL info but I do think they should be able to be used and read that players DPS.

Can you please justify why a group shouldn't be able to remove the weakest link to maximize their chances of doing a certain activity?

[Kamidel]

My justification is simple. EVERYONE should have a chance at doing all content even N00bs, Plebs, and the people that just want to play one class.

[Sparky]

I take contention with the notion that these parsers are "Intercepting, collecting and mining game data using unauthorized software is against ToS." as defined by SE.

They don't do anything of the sort.

As we know, the damage/healing dealt and received in the combat log is written to a file in Documents folder. Parsers are not intercepting data, nor are they collecting it. All they are doing is reading data that has already been written to the hard drive. And it's written to my personal documents folder too, therefore I am allowed to read it if I were to choose to use such a parser.

If SE doesnt want it to be accessed, then they should encrypt it and store it elsewhere.

[Viridiana]

I take contention with the notion that these parsers are "Intercepting, collecting and mining game data using unauthorized software is against ToS." as defined by SE.

They don't do anything of the sort...

I believe all current parsers read some of their information from the memory, which I'm pretty sure is not normally accessible to the end user. That said, I still think it's pretty silly, but I can at least see this as a possible justification.

[Velox]

I believe what SE should really do is implement a parser that only tracks your own DPS, this will help with self-improvement and refute possible claims by others that you're not performing up to par. After such a thing is added, take a firm stand and outlaw ALL third-party parsers. This way the people who are legitimately going to use it for improvement won't get punished by the possibility that others will abuse parsing (like they do in EVERY MMO).