Is anyone else bothered by the lack of incentive for mediocre players to improve?

[Yenn]

A prime example.

I just attempted to kill Ultima on my tank.
An i88 tank said 'first time here, what do i have to do,' to which I responded 'Just taunt off me at 3 stacks and move out of things. Don't touch the glowing balls when they spawn,' and he said 'xD ok'
I start tanking, I get to 3 stacks, I said 'Okay take it.' He just keeps comboing, no attempt at taunting. Four stacks, I start spamming 'Taunt him' with sound effects. Nope. Five stacks, I Hallowed Ground and continue spamming. Nope. I die and then he moves into place, eats every ability, and dies.

This player should not have been able to obtain that much i90 gear, but it could, because you can get a full set just by logging in every week.

[Delorean]

Maybe they were a Warrior. Maybe they didn't have Provoke. Because they didn't want to play Gladiator. Maybe they didn't know what "Taunt" was or what Provoke does.

You don't even need Provoke until Coil/Extreme Primals anyway.

But it's the same in every game, what can you do about it? You can't really expect new players to get any better at playing a game in a community that won't even give them a chance to play the game that they want them to get better at playing.

It's not like they even have a training simulation to practice mechanics with or anything.

[Sarlazzar]

A prime example.

I just attempted to kill Ultima on my tank.
An i88 tank said 'first time here, what do i have to do,' to which I responded 'Just taunt off me at 3 stacks and move out of things. Don't touch the glowing balls when they spawn,' and he said 'xD ok'
I start tanking, I get to 3 stacks, I said 'Okay take it.' He just keeps comboing, no attempt at taunting. Four stacks, I start spamming 'Taunt him' with sound effects. Nope. Five stacks, I Hallowed Ground and continue spamming. Nope. I die and then he moves into place, eats every ability, and dies.

This player should not have been able to obtain that much i90 gear, but it could, because you can get a full set just by logging in every week.

maybe you should have asked him to voke it, the skill is called provoke, maybe he didn't know what taunt is

[Royze]

A prime example.

I just attempted to kill Ultima on my tank.
An i88 tank said 'first time here, what do i have to do,' to which I responded 'Just taunt off me at 3 stacks and move out of things. Don't touch the glowing balls when they spawn,' and he said 'xD ok'
I start tanking, I get to 3 stacks, I said 'Okay take it.' He just keeps comboing, no attempt at taunting. Four stacks, I start spamming 'Taunt him' with sound effects. Nope. Five stacks, I Hallowed Ground and continue spamming. Nope. I die and then he moves into place, eats every ability, and dies.

This player should not have been able to obtain that much i90 gear, but it could, because you can get a full set just by logging in every week.

Maybe you should have used game terminology that is actually in the game, and not a remnant of wow - the word is Provoke!

[Zarzak]

Maybe you should have used game terminology that is actually in the game, and not a remnant of wow - the word is Provoke!

if your going to try and sound smart.. At least do it right and don't pretend WoW invented MMOs.

Taunt has been around LONG LONG LONG before the abomination that is WoW ever saw the internet

[Ishmachiah]

Taunt has been around LONG LONG LONG before the abomination that is WoW ever saw the internet

Haterz gonna hate.

[Lyrro]

Haterz gonna hate.

Love the irony of that statement, given your signature. Both heretic and unclean are words often used by self righteous religious figures to discriminate against people who are of other religions or non religious, and the word mutant is often used negatively even though mutations are often natural and progressive for evolution. I dunno, maybe I just needed a good laugh today given the night I had last night, but this struck me as hilarious.

People will quote WoW, you might as well accept it. WoW is considered one of the Shakespeares of MMOs (holy crap, someone who knows who Shakespeare is), and for better or worse, people will be quoting it for years to come. Debating over lingo will not prove your point nor disprove your opposite, and as long as both people know what the definition of "provoke" and "taunt" are you're not going to misunderstand each other. That's like two people fighting because their accents are different, they can still clearly understand each other because they're able argue which leads to the suggestion that they're arguing for the sake of argument. Misquoting, now that's something else entirely.

You're point is valid, Illuminapanic, but what you seem to fail to understand is that a higher ilvl allows parties to make mistakes that they could not afford at lower levels. Where I once had issues healing people because of them being one-shot, I now have the chance to heal that person because they will often survive with a sliver of health. This allows us to make it further into the fight which, in return, allows us to get more practice for those parts that we couldn't otherwise reach successively enough to practice. Take titan hm for example, back when it was still fresh. People were constantly getting killed by plumes and it was exceedingly rare (still is rather rare) to make it past the heart phase because it was very common to have at least one dps die in the heart phase. Once my fc started running titan, with people who were all adequately geared, we were able to practice post heart combat and we can now four man phase 5. Ilvl has nothing to do with skill, I agree full heartedly, but it does help counter lack of skill by giving a small cusion which can often save a party from a wipe.

[Ishmachiah]

Love the irony of that statement, given your signature. Both heretic and unclean are words often used by self righteous religious figures to discriminate against people who are of other religions or non religious, and the word mutant is often used negatively even though mutations are often natural and progressive for evolution. I dunno, maybe I just needed a good laugh today given the night I had last night, but this struck me as hilarious.

Glad you liked it.

People will quote WoW, you might as well accept it. WoW is considered one of the Shakespeares of MMOs (holy crap, someone who knows who Shakespeare is), and for better or worse, people will be quoting it for years to come.

I called him out as a hater because he called a game I thoroughly enjoy, an abomination. I don't care what players call provoke or taunt. Just hold enmity.

[Zarzak]

I thoroughly enjoy, an abomination. I don't care what players call provoke or taunt. Just hold enmity.

Enjoy it all you want it still destroyed MMOs and basically turned the false sterotype of gamers in the 90s into truth.

"gamers are all antisocial people who hide inside and never do anything"

pre WoW mmos? Jesus you had to socialize with at least 6-7 people every second you were online.. raids? fk 100+ people.

post WoW? *solos 1-lvl cap then sits in town until random preformed party for instanced dungeon pops and everyone rushes to finish it and get away from the other people in the party*

[Hiroradius]

You're point is valid, Illuminapanic, but what you seem to fail to understand is that a higher ilvl allows parties to make mistakes that they could not afford at lower levels. Where I once had issues healing people because of them being one-shot, I now have the chance to heal that person because they will often survive with a sliver of health. This allows us to make it further into the fight which, in return, allows us to get more practice for those parts that we couldn't otherwise reach successively enough to practice. Take titan hm for example, back when it was still fresh. People were constantly getting killed by plumes and it was exceedingly rare (still is rather rare) to make it past the heart phase because it was very common to have at least one dps die in the heart phase. Once my fc started running titan, with people who were all adequately geared, we were able to practice post heart combat and we can now four man phase 5. Ilvl has nothing to do with skill, I agree full heartedly, but it does help counter lack of skill by giving a small cusion which can often save a party from a wipe.

Okay I just want to point something out.

You had healing issues because someone was getting one-shotted.. that isn't considered healing issues that is someone not getting out of danger zones in time, unless it was the tank.. and if it's the tank then that is the tank not popping the correct cooldown.

The catch is, now with the higher ilvl they have the gear to survive these mistakes with a sliver of hp left, so now instead you HAVE healing issues because that said person with better gear is still standing in danger zones or tank is not popping correct cooldowns and causing you to have to cover their mistakes. So now by you covering for their mistakes they continue to not learn and continue to make the said mistake, and then when you get to harder content because they haven't learned to avoid the danger properly they make it harder on the rest of the group to near impossible, and cause the rest of the group to have to play perfectly just to cover their inability to avoid danger.