Conditional Branches in Macros

[HakuroDK]

Heya! This is a pretty... advanced kinda topic, but I was wondering if it could possibly be implemented into the Macro system somehow.

Essentially, adding Conditional Branches in Macro commands. These would be:

/if - If the following string is true, execute the /then command.
/then - If a previous /if string is true, the command following this command is executed.
/else - If the previous /if string is false, the command following this command is executed.

This will essentially add a VERY rudimentary set of logic-based commands to allow for more complex macro-making.

Let's say, for example, a Scholar wants to debuff the tank's target through <tt>, but requires concentration to keep the tank healed at the same time. A macro for debuffing with this Conditional Branch system may look like this.

/if <tt> buff "Immunity"
/then /ac "Miasma" <tt>
/else /ac "Virus" <tt>

Translating to English, if the Tank's Target has Immunity, Miasma will be cast on the Tank's Target. Otherwise, Virus will be cast on the Tank's Target.

Or if a Warrior wants to make an intelligent macro for some of his Enrage-consuming abilities:

/if <me> buff "Enraged"
/then /if <me> HP=<50%
/then /ac "Inner Beast" <t>
/else /if <attack2> Enmity=False
/then /ac "Steel Cyclone" <attack2>
/else /ac "Unchained" <me>
/else /ac "Infuriate" <me>

Translating to English, if you have the "Enraged" buff (Five Stacks of Wrath), and if your HP is less than or equal to half, then you will use "Inner Beast" on your target. If your HP is not less than or equal to half, and if an enemy you're not attacking is not attacking you (assuming the "Attack1" and "Attack2" signs are being used), you will use "Steel Cyclone" on that enemy. If that enemy is attacking you, you'll use Unchained instead. If you do not have the "Enraged" buff, you will use "Infuriate".

If an /if command is used by itself, nothing would happen. Same with /then and /else, as at least /if and /then would have to be used, with /else being optional.

It's kinda advanced stuff, but stuff I think would be fantastic to see!

[Royal]

Last I remember reading about this topic, they deliberately avoided these kind of programming loops to avoid bots. I might be wrong on the reason but they were specific about not doing this on purpose so don't get your hopes up.

[HakuroDK]

Last I remember reading about this topic, they deliberately avoided these kind of programming loops to avoid bots. I might be wrong on the reason but they were specific about not doing this on purpose so don't get your hopes up.

Eh. Worth a shot. I'm just fond of any means possible of consolidating my hotbar is all.

[Ninix]

They've explicitly decided against implementing this sort of functionality.

Here is the macro feature policy for FFXIV:

1. Do not make it so macros must be used.
2. Minimizing and optimizing actions without error beyond that of human control is not allowed.
3. Make it a support feature that can be used by people that are a bit shaky at controlling the game to ensure control, while not making it 100% optimized.
4. The player makes the execution decision. We will not be implementing a feature where the macros makes its own decisions. For example: We will not be implementing a feature that executes things based on certain criteria (player status, enemy HP, certain actions, etc.)

Point four being the most relevant here.

[Tupsi]

Yeah, it's why they decided against 'Gambits' for our Chocobo Buddy when that was originally a key feature of it.

[Mailstrum]

this would be border line automation. Macros should never take any choices for the person using it. If you set a macro in a specific order it will only do that order or that set of skills. So no choices being made it just does it. But you add any type of IF THEN type stuff its because automation then the macro is doing the work its seeing if "said buff" is on target if not apply it. You are not checking to see if hte buff/debuff is up you are not making the choice to cast it now or wait for the transition phase thats about to happen in 5 seconds. This is a very bad idea.

[Shakarlyn]

I know, I kind of whined about this in my LS recently. The room for abuse is astronomical as previously noted. I completely understand where you are coming from though.

[RazeLandale]

Macros are there to make the game easier to control, not play for you.

To that end the first and foremost thing they need to do is make macros responsive enough that you can actually USE them. They need to fix the system before they expand on it.

If they manage that, I wouldn't mind if they put in cast sequence macros. /wait is really just a poor mans version of it that backfires if you have to move.

[DefendPopPunk]

Lol. Just seems to me that writing logic like that could easily lead to someone having the game play itself. Even if that's a slippery slope, I think they didn't want to let it even get to the point of being an issue.