Garuda Extreme final phase melee question

[Asdamine]

I haven't done Garuda Extreme as a DPS in a while, but when I did, I was one-shot with 5000 HP when doing that.

That's because you ate 2 Wicked Wheel at the same time. One is from Suparna, and the other from Garuda. They both cast Wicked Wheel at the same time.

If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I mentioned the off-tank taking Suparna, so that both Wicked Wheel will be separated, thus you will only be eating one Wicked Wheel (2500 damage in your case).

[Etgar]

That's because you ate 2 Wicked Wheel at the same time. One is from Suparna, and the other from Garuda. They both cast Wicked Wheel at the same time.

If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I mentioned the off-tank taking Suparna, so that both Wicked Wheel will be separated, thus you will only be eating one Wicked Wheel (2500 damage in your case).

Nope, one WW is 5K+ not sure what dps you were playing.

[Asdamine]

Nope, one WW is 5K+ not sure what dps you were playing.

Just to confirm, you experienced that figure while you where within proximity of both garuda and suparna, or just one of them?

Because if what you are saying is correct, then both Wicked Wheel from Garuda and Suparna will have an added total of 10,000 damage. I played a paladin and have experienced it without any defensive cooldowns on (granted that I have defensive stats, given the nature of a tank), and the most I have experienced is 4.5-5k damage (unmitigated damage without def cds) from BOTH Garuda and Suparna. Additionally, while tanking ONLY garuda, I have experience around 1.2-1.5k damage from ONE single Wicked Wheel.

Additionally, how would you know it is 5k damage for ONE wicked wheel if you haven't already tried my method, by separating garuda and suparna? Because garuda and suparna cast wicked wheel ALWAYS at the same time. So, please clarify.

My WAR eats 2500 with Vengeance and a parry. If unmitigated WW were only 2500 to a DPS, then everyone would use double WW method because you wouldn't need mitigation at all. Hell, every MDPS would just ignore it altogether; it wouldn't even be a mechanic anyone would talk about.

Thanks for the input, I won't say your figure is wrong but please state how you experienced those damage. Was it from ONE wicked wheel, or TWO wicked wheel? That's really what I am trying to get.

I say 2,500 damage on a dps is just a rough estimate because my team's monk and dragoon always got his HP below 40% when they eats one Wicked Wheel from Suparna. Fact is that they survived without dodging suparna's wicked wheel on every turn of the tornado phase with consistant level of damage taken.

[Gamemako]

If you read what I wrote again, you will see that I mentioned the off-tank taking Suparna, so that both Wicked Wheel will be separated, thus you will only be eating one Wicked Wheel (2500 damage in your case).

My WAR eats 2500 with Vengeance and a parry. If unmitigated WW were only 2500 to a DPS, then everyone would use double WW method because you wouldn't need mitigation at all. Hell, every MDPS would just ignore it altogether; it wouldn't even be a mechanic anyone would talk about.

[BlackThought]

That will only happen if you're second on Garuda's enmity list. That is both difficult to coordinate and pointless as it requires omitting OT DPS.

Yes, I'm aware but it's icing on the cake, not the point of this particular strategy. And we don't 'omit' OT DPS. Really not even trying to epeen here but, I just usually am #2 at this point.

[Asdamine]

@Skull_Angel; @Lemon8or Thank you, both are valid point. But my statement was abouy whether a melee DPS eating one Wicked Wheel is a viable strategy, by having the off tank taking Suparna, instead of Chirada.

Skull_Angel said a singular unmitugated Wicked Wheel goes no more than 4k. Lemon, in respond to my point on double Wicked Wheel, stated 6k from two WW.

In that respect, a DPS with should not die from eating one Wicked Wheel with the assistance of healer. Whereas common strategy on having main tank take chirada would force dps to take double WW thus instant death.

[Skull_Angel]

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I stated "not much more than 4k"; I can't give exacts, but in my VIT build I hover at nearly 8.6k and an unmitigated WW has taken me to slightly less than half my HP (I may not have been fully topped off).

As to whether letting melee eat WW is viable or not, it really stresses the healers. When my healers see Friction being cast you can hear the shit storm that is pre-casting shields on 2 tanks, haha; this is besides the point that it is an easily avoidable attack if you pay attention to the tell-tail sign that it will be coming (Friction being cast).

[Asdamine]

This is a silly discussion. Melee should absolutely not get hit by WW. I'll take a loss of 1000~ damage before I'll purposefully waste the healers' time.

I stated "not much more than 4k"; I can't give exacts, but in my VIT build I hover at nearly 8.6k and an unmitigated WW has taken me to slightly less than half my HP (I may not have been fully topped off).

As to whether letting melee eat WW is viable or not, it really stresses the healers. When my healers see Friction being cast you can hear the shit storm that is pre-casting shields on 2 tanks, haha; this is besides the point that it is an easily avoidable attack if you pay attention to the tell-tail sign that it will be coming (Friction being cast).

Of course it stresses the healer. Everyone has already stated that it'll be ideal for melee to dodge Wicked Wheel etc. But my method is just a no-brainer to accommodate those melee that can't dodge anything by placing melee's responsibility and spread it to the raid group and to effectively down garuda.

Most duty finder (or some PUG) groups would most likely do not contain melee that is skill enough to dodge. You can think of this as a similar method as people doing T2 enrage to get easy loot.

Whether it is the right way to play the game... that is another matter to discuss, really.

[JetBrooks]

But my method is just a no-brainer

We understand that you're defending yourself to the grave, here; but I wouldn't even call it a "no-brainer". I'd just call it a "don't do that". My DRG has like 5k hp with food and I don't think I've survived getting hit by WW.. Could just be me, but it seems like a very bad idear to get hit, not a "no-brainer good enough solution". Gotta keep in mind we get hit by slipstreams or whatever the shit else. It's not just WW damage, melee have the potential to die VERY QUICKLY in this fight.

[Lemon8or]

Skull_Angel said a singular unmitugated Wicked Wheel goes no more than 4k. Lemon, in respond to my point on double Wicked Wheel, stated 6k from two WW.

I forgot to make it clear that Adloqium and Stoneskin brings the damage double WW should have done above 6k. On a i90 PLD, that's an additional 1.5k totaling 8k damage so single WW goes 4k sounds about right. I've seen 4.2k from a single WW on my warrior without any mitigation or stoneskin/adloqium before so I doubt melee dps can "just eat one" without healer knowing to place those two skills on them and that takes GCD away from the healers so they can't be healing tanks.