It's become a chore to even log on to the game

[Hyrist]

If it's become a chore to log in. Don't. It's that simple. I hate to be reactive at this but honestly sometimes, the game is just not for you. And that's fine. The changes people try to propose here on the forms often stem to greatly endanger the enjoyment of far more people who do not log onto these forums for various amounts of reasons. (Not the least among these is the toxicity of the forums themselves.)

It's innumerable the amount of people I've encountered that have said that the official forums are really a poor representation of the player-base, and that they fear that the developers will listen to the wrong kind of feedback. There's a major difference between complacency and contentment, and there are a LOT of people content. The counter-argument I have heard most common from my circle is that those who are complaining about boredom are unjustly resting the responsibility for their entertainment entirely on SE's feet, rather than embracing casual content or participating in player-generated content. And these sentiments I agree with and stand by.

If it feels like a chore for you to log in, don't. Do not force yourself to play a game during moments you will not enjoy it - you will cause permanent damage to your ability to enjoy it in the future. There is no shame in taking a break or stepping away. But at the same time I cannot encourage people hard enough to start community building and embracing community activities.

As the game grows, its ability to sustain people who play at different paces will grow as well. There's no point in blaming a new game for not having enough content to satisfy particular play-styles - they have a long list of them to appeal to. Therefore, I will repeat the mantra I have said time and time again: MMO games favor and reward the patient. The easily bored or impatient will always find cause to complain in this genre far more than is valuable to the game its community because the mechanics, by design, cannot appeal to them.

[Mihael_Longclaw]

I've already stopped playing for quite awhile now, I log on to speak to my friends.
Believe it or not, I'd love to see this game become something memorable. It's the only MMO that will ever interest me, and my first, but likely my last.

I know the games potential, and I want them to live up to it.
I'm not threatening SE, I'm giving a fact.

[Ravinous]

It's the only MMO that will ever interest me, and my first, but likely my last.

The best part of this whole thing is that this here is the 2nd time in 3 pages that you've stated that this is your first MMO. You have no experience playing any other MMORPG besides this one, and have only played it for five months. Also did you realize that this game was re-made with in less than 2 years after 1.0 as deemed a failure?

I would suggest trying any of the F2P MMORPG's out there, and then compare them to this.

[Mihael_Longclaw]

The best part of this whole thing is that this here is the 2nd time in 3 pages that you've stated that this is your first MMO. You have no experience playing any other MMORPG besides this one, and have only played it for five months. Also did you realize that this game was re-made with in less than 2 years after 1.0 as deemed a failure?

I would suggest trying any of the F2P MMORPG's out there, and then compare them to this.

Because there's other games that have it worse off, is no excuse for SE to give half-assed results.
& as far as I know, this is a Final Fantasy game, a game with a long history of great and excellent games, I expect better from such a series.


From what I've heard, they've gone ass backwards with some of the content from FFXIV 1.23 to now.

[Hyrist]

It's hard to argue with someone who has already made quantitative and final decision on the game, Sorry Mihael but I don't see the value of arguing any of those points with you - primarily because most of them rely on a subjective opinion that you are very firm in defending.

[Mihael_Longclaw]

It's hard to argue with someone who has already made quantitative and final decision on the game, Sorry Mihael but I don't see the value of arguing any of those points with you - primarily because most of them rely on a subjective opinion that you are very firm in defending.

Just because I don't instantly say "I was wrong, sorry for this post, you're right" doesn't mean we can't have discussion.

I know alot of decisions made to the game could affect lots of people, of course there needs to be a balance for everyone.

But in another sense, some of the best games ever made don't try and pander to everyone, they have a vision and they see it through, that's totally unrelated though, haha.

[Exstal]

It's an MMO. You're supposed to skip through the story as fast as you can to get to the good stuff.

[Mihael_Longclaw]

It's an MMO. You're supposed to skip through the story as fast as you can to get to the good stuff.

I considered everything from 1 - 50 more enjoyable than end-game. It's the journey not the destination.

[Hyrist]

Square Enix has a vision. It is often in the defense of this vision that causes the most heat with players on the forums and they cause uprage. Yet, you defend some of the very same practices as 'best' games, which, is highly subjective and borderline hypocritical.

But discussion on matters of saying "is there character development?" is subjective, and often very spoilerish. But, in case of point - what happened to the confidence of the Lancer Storyline Antagonist, how did the course of that plotline ultimately effect that character? Because I can tell you the person you presume to see him as at first is not at the end. And there are plenty of self-contained developments at that point.

I can make cases for main characters in the storyline arc as well, at least two are glaringly apparent to anyone. And even the 'filler content' you argue about often has small stories that depict the life changes.

And lets go further beyond that. SE has proved with their first patch that they are not beneath changing even the landscape to have the game's very enviroment develop with the story, let alone the characters. As far as re-playability, again, that is a highly subjective argument to make. Roulette has made DF instance replay-able on a valuable level, as has the changes to Leves.

The quintessential problem here, from my point of view is burn-out. Players who milk the game-play content for its loot value and little else, and then complain when they reach the treadmill portion of the game that forces them to be patient and consistent, rather than obsessive.

Honestly, I was fairly active in MMOs beforehand, but joining the RP community in this game opened my eyes wide to just how much life of the game itself I was missing.

[Mihael_Longclaw]

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I don't think it's hypocritical at all, SE is completely swayed by some decision of it's fans then ignoring them for some of the actually flawed systems, it's very hit and miss with them. Housing Prices for example, they wanted higher prices, fans spoke up, SE changed it.
Yet for many other concerns of thier players they turn a blind eye.

I can agree with that, but in the end were the character even memorable or likable, I guess that falls to objectivity... but they're also expendable to the sake of the quest, and gameplay.

I do very much look forward to these additions, and expansions not only to gameplay, but to the world, story, and characters.
But in the end, tell me, does putting an apology and self awareness at the end of a tedious fetch quest make it any less boring to play through?
& I say that as someone who actually read all the dialouge.

Please don't make assumptions of my playstyle either, sure I've done my fairshare of endgame but the majority of the time, I'm fishing, talking to friends, levelling my chocobo, helping new players, and crafting.

Fishing is relaxing, a whole lot, but I wouldn't say it's fun, or exciting, I'm basically pressing a button and watching my character fling sparkles out of the water into my hand.
I could play many other games with more interactive and enjoyable fishing mini-games if that's all I do in this one.

I even enjoyed translating the mapwith my GF the other day, only using our heads.