'Raids', really?

[Cichy]

She def got the money shot.

I "like" what you did there

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Because we like to, and we can. If it bothers you so much, move on. O: There's plenty of discussions you have yet to troll, make it so.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Dude, these people are afraid of a WORD. They sound almost like crazy grandpas.

The MMO terminology has chanced since FFXI's prime. It's just WORDS, people.

Asking them not to use the words 'raid' is like asking first person shooters not to use the words 'gun'.

Ahahahaha holy crap.
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[thenewzero]

Why do people have to complain about every detail?

Because they want to feel like special snowflakes.

The term "raid" merely means "PvE-based content for groups larger than the standard party size". It's not limited to the WoW-style of raiding. It's just like the word "tank" references a character that can hold the attention of the enemy while taking less total damage than other party members. It does not just mean a Paladin with a shield, it can be many other kinds of characters with different playstyles.

They can call it Fluffy Bunny Adventures and it will still be the same thing it is: a "raid". Shall we start referring to "tanks" as "guardians" because you find the word "tank" to be too related to WoW, even though it is used in a multitude of other games? Take out "Hit Points" and start calling it "Life Force"? Is "Experience Points" too offensive?

What it *sounds* like is your point was just an awkward way of saying "Please don't make this content identical to World of Warcraft content." Now *that* is a perfectly viable sentiment, and one I can even agree with. But that has nothing to do with the name. If you're so bothered by the term "raid", call them "Toto-Rak" and "Darkhold".

I'm not sure what's worse: Those who are blindly devoted to WoW seeing no flaw in it, or those who blindly hate WoW seeing anything that may be perceived as a relation to it as immediately flawed. Hating something just because it is popular is just as bad as loving something just because it is popular.

[Bled]

Dude, these people are afraid of a WORD. They sound almost like crazy grandpas.

The MMO terminology has chanced since FFXI's prime. It's just WORDS, people.

Asking them not to use the words 'raid' is like asking first person shooters not to use the words 'gun'.

For your information; Yoshi's first post on the job system was that he found it important to bring back Final Fantasy terminology, such as paladin, white mage, dragoon, monk, and so on.

Words may seem minoot to people these days, however words are a portion of what drives lore in a game, and Final Fantasy XIV is really struggling in that department. Words and terms are the basis from which everyone attaches stigmas, the term "raid" is too general and generic we need something to bring back Final Fantasy XIV's immersion into the intended developed universe.

From day one i have felt Final Fantasy XIV has been suffering from the western MMORPG disease.

[Morticous]

Words bring with them feelings and memories and the word "Raid" brings to me the memory of trying 3+ times to play Wow and having to deal with its obnoxious subscribers, time wasted I would rather not be reminded of (Bad Feelings and Memories).

The words "White" and "Mage" together reminds me of the very first job I played and loved in FFXI (Good Memories).

The words "Brittany" and "Spears" put together make me feel sick like throwing up but also remind me of when she got her head blown off and still tried to sing on South Park (I laughed my ass off) so these feelings I have about these two words together are mixed (Mixed Feelings and Memories).

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Because they want to feel like special snowflakes.

....Ok? Comment is so far off center it's no longer on the map. But thanks for playing.

...or those who blindly hate WoW seeing anything that may be perceived as a relation to it as immediately flawed. Hating something just because it is popular is just as bad as loving something just because it is popular.

Nice try at beating the beehive. I might put you in the blindly-devoted WoW-y pile based on your needless accusations along with Wolfie but seeing as I'm trying to avoid that cesspool, I'll give you a polite nod. Yes I might be biased, I'd go as far to say I'm personally largely biased, but as those have said before it is simply due to the fact that raid brings up a tireless thought of running a dungeon simply for drops, fanatics, a large amount of frustration and feeling of getting no-where and general "ugh"ness. While on the other hand I found XI's dungeons to be something to look forward to and a great achievement to unlock and never had been associated with one large blanket term. While Dynamis can be seen as an "Ugh, hell, don't talk about that piece of crap" at least it wasn't referred to by players along with everything else like Limbus or sky as something like 'raid' where afterwards all we're left with is a sour taste in our mouths.

Honestly, the one thing about WoW that bugged the absolute piss out of me was hearing every one of my friends who played use the term over and over referring to pretty much every dungeon ever and their evening activity. My God that's obnoxious, and it does bring up negative feelings. Clearly I'm not alone in this or you wouldn't be working so hard to piss us off.

So, I'll stop you two and your useless pandering and circlejerking, but you're absolutely wrong in thinking myself or anyone else is against blanket/MMO terms in general and are over-generalizing this thread to attempt to make us look sillier than we are. So unless you have anything more along the lines of constructive to add to the discussion take your trolling elsewhere. :3

[giftforce]

Dude, these people are afraid of a WORD. They sound almost like crazy grandpas.

The MMO terminology has chanced since FFXI's prime. It's just WORDS, people.

Asking them not to use the words 'raid' is like asking first person shooters not to use the words 'gun'.

Usually I would agree with opinions like this. But I think you have to realise that FFXIV is an artistic game that prides itself on literary flare and rich lore. The modern MMO terminologies would encroach upon FFXIV's artistic view and make it generic, I feel.

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give me a thumbs up if you think dungeon raid should be called chamber plunder as not to seem to similar to other titles. joking, i dont care what they call it as long as they start adding content.

[syntaxlies]

oh, and as for lure, i think they are using the world raid so when they stamp it on the box "raids" everyone will be like wow it has raids. Although many traditional FF fans may dislike this they may be trying to broaden their player base. Im not saying i ant the game full of wow fan-boys or anything but this is how i am interpenetrating there decision to use the word.