'Raids', really?

[Oscillate_Wildly]

No, people don't want to use it because it's a stigmatized word used to refer to essentially all of WoW's endgame, complicated or not, it's bland it's boring it's dull. It's a little bit of WoW bashing, and a little bit of "oh no that's wrong."

How can you seriously consider a 4-8 person dungeon a 'raid' anyway? It's more like an exploration.

But don't go putting words in our mouths, you're free to your opinion as I am to mine, and to use the word 'raid' to potentially label all group related content from dungeons to missions from here on out would be a travesty and just plain retarded.

[RabidSquirrel]

No, people don't want to use it because it's a stigmatized word used to refer to essentially all of WoW's endgame, complicated or not, it's bland it's boring it's dull. It's a little bit of WoW bashing, and a little bit of "oh no that's wrong."

How can you seriously consider a 4-8 person dungeon a 'raid' anyway? It's more like an exploration.

But don't go putting words in our mouths, you're free to your opinion as I am to mine, and to use the word 'raid' to potentially label all group related content from dungeons to missions from here on out would be a travesty and just plain retarded.

The term "raid" has no requirement in terms of number of participants. I raid my roommate's snack cabinet all the time, yet I am only one person.

And anyways, people who play WoW rarely referred to the raids as "raids." They had names too. Like Molten Core, Naxxramus, Blackwing Lair, Zul'Garab, Karazhan, etc. And these were further shortened to abbreviations: MC, Nax, BWL, ZG, Kara, and so on. Normally players refer to the shortened names. When asked, "What are you doing tonight?" The response would be something like, "Doing MC." Not, "I'm raiding."

It's just a general term that people will rarely use in this game too. Get over it.

[Reika]

The term "raid" has no requirement in terms of number of participants. I raid my roommate's snack cabinet all the time, yet I am only one person.

And anyways, people who play WoW rarely referred to the raids as "raids." They had names too. Like Molten Core, Naxxramus, Blackwing Lair, Zul'Garab, Karazhan, etc. And these were further shortened to abbreviations: MC, Nax, BWL, ZG, Kara, and so on. Normally players refer to the shortened names. When asked, "What are you doing tonight?" The response would be something like, "Doing MC." Not, "I'm raiding."

It's just a general term that people will rarely use in this game too. Get over it.

But in FFXIV's case, you aren't allowed to raid your roommates snack cabinet unless you have 7 other people with you.

[Wolfie]

No, people don't want to use it because it's a stigmatized word used to refer to essentially all of WoW's endgame, complicated or not, it's bland it's boring it's dull. It's a little bit of WoW bashing, and a little bit of "oh no that's wrong."

A little bit of WOW bashing? You guys are freaking out and splitting hairs because the devs and community reps dared use a term that's also used in WOW. What's next, you're going to freak out if they call something a 'mailbox' instead of 'delivery mog' or 'bank' instead of 'vault'? The term is not bland, nor dull, nor boring. It's a descriptive term used for a broad range of activities, that may or may not include end-game, and may or may not include over a dozen players. Jesus christ man, it's a WORD.

How can you seriously consider a 4-8 person dungeon a 'raid' anyway? It's more like an exploration.

A 'raid' has no requirements on how many members do the raiding. I don't know where this came from.

But don't go putting words in our mouths, you're free to your opinion as I am to mine, and to use the word 'raid' to potentially label all group related content from dungeons to missions from here on out would be a travesty and just plain retarded.

I honestly don't know what words I put in your mouth. You don't want to use the term because it's not a FF term. What the real travesty and stupidity here is that you're literally freaking out over the devs using a generic blanket term because another MMO also happens to use this word. It's nothing but a generic term to describe a concept, man. They're not replacing dungeon names with it; otherwise, they wouldn't have named the damn dungeons.

[Volsung]

I can understand the trouble here. In XI we had events that were raid like but had names. These names came from a background given to the content, and therefore gave it meaning and purpose. Yes fun is important, but so is a reason to be in a place aside from the items that drop. I'm going to be happy with content to play but even if this were part of the Company system Id rather call them Company Dungeons than just a raid.

A large problem comes from localisation which I think has been a struggle when translating information. In jp a broad term they use is raidodungeon. The combination of raid and dungeon. This causes problems when trying to tell players about incoming subjects when the players come from varying games and backgrounds.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

I think Focant mentioned that as well or perhaps that was in PM's...But yes! A purpose to being there other than to loot the coffers so to speak. Fun is a point as well and there's no doubt that it will be, but an added bonus would be for there to be a purpose. I think we were told in the letter? That quests would unlock the ability to enter the dungeons, and hopefully they'll be enlightening and give us some sort of incentive to enter.

Rather than to enter for the sake of entering.

[Soma]

Sadly i think these "raid" dungeons are SE's attempt to stop the bleeding.

hoping more players wont leave and possibly attracting ones that left.

i can remember the time that the road to "sky" was a worthy accomplishment.

[Haibel]

Sadly i think these "raid" dungeons are SE's attempt to stop the bleeding.

hoping more players wont leave and possibly attracting ones that left.

i can remember the time that the road to "sky" was a worthy accomplishment.

you would be surprised. even when I quit XI a year ago. how many times I would get a app to my sky shell from
somebody that didn't have access.

[Cichy]

Oh god if they would add a sky type event, 50% of people would quit immediately I think.

[Haibel]

I liked sky. If they just made pop items a little more standardized. instead of different of each god it would have been that much better.