Issue with two Scholar healing

[winkf1ma]

I want to post this to the feedback and suggestions section, but I want to hear what everyone thinks.

There seems to be a major issue with two Scholars healing certain battles that require powerful AOE healing (ex. Titan Ex). Now the current solution seems to be include a WHM in these parties and avoid two SCH. But duty finder doesn't work that way, and it shouldn't because it would make it harder to get queues. However, something needs to be done:

Problem: Two SCH healing is largely affected by Galvanize not stacking from two separate scholars. The second SCH succor only heals and the Galvanize buff is wasted, which largely affects two SCH healing power.

Solution: Allow two different SCH succor to give a stacked Galvanize to the party. This way the second SCH succor is not half as effective. This seems to be the most reasonable solution.

[Kyomih]

This has already been discussed in several threads. While I am not saying it couldn't need adjustments, having the two shields stack would make it way too powerful since mitigation in general is more viable for end game content than having to force heal hp back up.

With that said, it's very well possible to heal with two SCH - it just asks for much more synergy and planning between the two healers.
Don't forget the potential of cycling Sacred Soil with two SCH as well as cycling a Roused and buffed Whispering down between the two.
Add cycling Fey Illumination and Virus into the mix and you have a quite capable and powerful combo. It's just, as always when comparing to WHM, a totally different way of dealing with the same content.

[Squa]

This has already been discussed in several threads. While I am not saying it couldn't need adjustments, having the two shields stack would make it way too powerful since mitigation in general is more viable for end game content than having to force heal hp back up.

With that said, it's very well possible to heal with two SCH - it just asks for much more synergy and planning between the two healers.
Don't forget the potential of cycling Sacred Soil with two SCH as well as cycling a Roused and buffed Whispering down between the two.
Add cycling Fey Illumination and Virus into the mix and you have a quite capable and powerful combo. It's just, as always when comparing to WHM, a totally different way of dealing with the same content.

Whispering Dawn replaces Cure III, confirmed by posters at official SE forums.

[Kyomih]

Whispering Dawn replaces Cure III, confirmed by posters at official SE forums.

Not sure what your sarcastic post is supposed to achieve other than trying to be funny.

a) where did I say it replaces Cure III?
b) did you notice the "into the mix" part?
c) SCHs are already discussing if it's possible to solo heal Titan Ex
d) you don't even need to cast Cure III, Medica II and a DS Medica do the job just fine as well.


Oh and it's possible to heal with 2 SCH. As I know first-hand from a recent Titan EX DF win.

Fights would become completely trivial with succor stacking since in current content AoE is completely predictable and leaves you plenty of room to heal up in between. It would pretty much destroy a WHMs spot in a 2 healer setup.
SCHs are already trumping WHMs with HPS on single targets and two target healing simultaneously. It would lead to a very bad balancing issue.

[winkf1ma]

While my solution might have lead to balancing issue, many other things could be done.

Ideally, your right two SCH can work around the issue with coordination. But, if this issue was addressed in multiple threads, it was because there is concern to look into. I've entered countless parties where people dropped at the sight of two SCH. I don't want to queue 30 minutes for a party just to have it disband again because people see two SCH. Even the most basic of fights are made significantly harder with two SCH. In the long run avoiding to make small changes is what's going to hurt this game to the most subscription wise.

Keep in mind there is a CLEAR distinction between highly advanced players and casual players. If only a selection few can do something does not rule out there being an issue.

While I still may be wrong, I think SE should look into it at least. Pull up the number of wipes from there statistics of parties with two SCH.

If things are fine, so be it. But announce to the community a real answer with fact.

[SulwynCaliope]

I've entered countless parties where people dropped at the sight of two SCH. I don't want to queue 30 minutes for a party just to have it disband again because people see two SCH.

I think the issue is with the community not being open minded enough to accept a double SCH combo. I haven't done Titan Ex yet. (Frankly, he scares the heck out of me.) I've cleared T1-4 with 2 SCHs though. While yes I will agree that there isn't a shit ton of AoE damage that goes around in T1-4, I want to draw your attention to T4 enrage. During my T4 clear this week, we couldn't find a WHM so we went with a second SCH. We didn't kill the second dread in time and hit the enrage timer. When the enrage timer started, the dread had over 3/4s of its health left. The SCH (who was pugged mind you) and I both had Eos out and by rotating our roused whispering dawns, fey illuminations, sacred soils and spamming succor, we healed through the enrage just as well as any WHM that spams cure III.

My point is that a double SCH combo can handle AoE healing perfectly fine. It just takes more communication. Considering we're playing an MMORPG, we should always be communicating with our healer partners and coordinating our skills for max efficiency. I don't think SE should make any changes to SCH skills to make it "easier" for SCHs to AoE heal together because they would just upset the delicate balance that exists between SCHs and WHMs right now.

[Sanguisio]

lol this makes me laugh.
Stop bloody whinging about making a mechanic brain-dead to use.
Talk to the other SCHs and work as a team.

[Sebazy]

Problem: Two WHM healing is largely affected by Infirmity and whm having no means to circumvent it. Both heals only hit for half which largely affects two WHM healing power.

Solution: Allow two different WHM to cast Benediction on a minute cooldown. This way the two WHM are not half as effective. This seems to be the most reasonable solution.

Seriously though, don't be silly. Galvanize stacking would be hilariously overpowered, more so for mitigating big single target hits if anything. If I crit an Adloq for Mountain Buster or Death Sentence, chances are it's going to hit for 0. Having your suggested change in would indeed render white mages redundant for anything that doesn't hammer out AEs in a manner that Rouse/WD can't handle. Being able to front load 4-7k's worth of shielding within 3 seconds would put the content team up against the wall in a manner not seen since the days of Turgur's Insects in Everquest.

Even the most basic of fights are made significantly harder with two SCH.

Then at the risk of sounding ultra elitist, those two SCH are bad. The only content in the game that truly favours a whm right now is Titan EX. Sch are absolute equals in most cases and in many encounters are actually the stronger choice

[Lorilin]

the thing is... if you go random with 2 whm they usually will just do their job also if they are not rly good. they still will heal a lot. but if you go with 2 random sch the chance is pretty high that they dont sync :P so thats why ppl usually prefer 2 whm over 2 sch.

[hamsteak]

i agree that something should be done about galvanize (maybe make it so that if 1 scholar succors when galvanize is already on the target that galvanize will instead turn into a heal for the amount of the shield left)

but all of the fights in game can be done with 2 scholars/2 white mages/1 white mage 1 scholar; i've healed all extreme mode primals with another scholar and haven't really had too many issues