Why mark targets?

[Viridiana]

Why? Because more often then not, be it melee or distance, DPS usually chose to attack the melee mobs first. While this makes sense for the last pull of WP (TBs, so you can open the door), otherwise it doesnt. Why take out the mobs with attacks your tank cant dodge or block last? Or who have frontal cone AoE prior to circle AoE (again example is in WP)? That also happens.

Just to clarify, you can dodge magic. You can't parry and most likely can't block (I haven't tested block).

[JonBigwood]

To me, it seems like if you know how to play your class, you shouldn\\\\'t need someone to tell you who to go after and in what order. I have to say though, this seems to me to be the best reason.

Just my 2 cents.

Hi, you don't "have to" mark, but it may be useful. You may know your class, the dungeon, and what to do, but in DF the tank does not know that, you might know nothing, so if there's interest in kill order, it's better he marks. He also may have a different idea of what to kill first, and its good all DPS know where to concentrate attacks easily (then decide if AOE is best or when it is best with no risk of pulling aggro.) When there are several mobs packed in the same small space (or your visual line), it's easier also to click on the big number too than try to click on the mob name (a DPS who has not attacked yet will have no enemy list, and if he has attacked with non-AOE attacks, there will be mobs who are not on his enemy list.)

[AlrikRouge]

Just to clarify, you can dodge magic. You can't parry and most likely can't block (I haven't tested block).

Good call. Yeah, can't parry and can't block. Can dodge though. Or maybe can block, but I have yet to ever see a block on magic on my PLD. I've done some experimenting in WP on the floating guys and have yet to see it after too many runs to remember.

[Alistaire]

So this thread is about bad tank player or marking? O_o;

It can't be both?

[matic]

I'm referring entirely to damage over time abilities. Yes, AoE is typically only efficient against 3 or more targets.

Let's use BRD and DRG as case studies.

BRD standard rotation:
Heavy (150) + bonus critical chance for Straight Shot = about 180 potency
Venomous Bite = 100 initial potency + (35 x 6 [ticks over 18 seconds]) = 305 potency
Windbite = 60 initial potency + (45 x 6 [ticks over 18 seconds]) = 330 potency

DRG options:
True (150) + Vorpal (200) + Full (330) = average 226 potency
Phlebotomize: 170 initial + (25 x 6 [ticks over 18 seconds]) = 330 potency

Damage over time is simply better damage per global cooldown.

are you insane? you do understand that the 330 potency you are fapping to is delivered over 18 seconds. mob should be dead before that.


its fine to throw dots on other trash while focusing one at a time, but foolish to just spread dots around and sit there waiting for the pack to drop. also, you come off as quite the control freak, which is probably why your dps don't follow your orders. learn2people


this line gives it all away: "What's the most effective way to get DPS to play their role to fit this style?"

fucking do your job and stop trying to micro-manage everyone else.

[AlrikRouge]

fucking do your job and stop trying to micro-manage everyone else.

Uhm....you can get banned for this language in the forums. You should do your best to refrain from using it at all costs.


Off the record, I still can't stop laughing

[Viridiana]

are you insane? you do understand that the 330 potency you are fapping to is delivered over 18 seconds. mob should be dead before that.

Do you understand that it takes between 1/3 and 1/2 of that time to make those attacks more damaging than the alternatives, not the full 18 seconds?

[rappa]

And now, i know why i get a lot of commendations using my tanks on dungeons.

Mark? lost aggro? wtf

As warrior, start a pull, flash and overpower x3. You can go to take a coffee and the mobs still hitting you.

As paladin, start a pull, flash + skorn + flash, and spread halone combo between mobs and repeat using flash.

Spread dots is only viable on a few class, SMN and SCH(obviously), BLM(get proc thunder) and BRD(get proc bloodletter). The rest of class, focusing one mob or differents must die soon unless your dps is undergeared.

As blm, is a waste of time, cast a fire I and watch how the mob die and your spell is interrupted. Focusing one unique mob, you can explode your dps killing it.

As drg, put up your dots and buffs, and at final moment, when you can do a lot of damage over the target, he is gone.

Btw, there are theorycraft and you may not be a braindead, you must study your group, know theirs weakness and strenghts. If you see a tank don't use flash/overpower on theirs rotations, don't use aoe and change the objetive of your damage if you are getting enmity so fast.

[Maku]

Always mark targets. That way even if the DPS ignore them and attack a different mob it is their fault. But if you don't mark they can blame you for not marking.

[Pruviant]

Just mark your targets and stop being lazy. I do it every run, all the time. If you are running roulette and have too much to do as a tank to where you can't mark stuff, time to become a full-time BRD, dude. I'm gonna leave your math alone because just WOW.