Why can't we have the ability to create accurate Parser?

[Rhysati]

Don't let them fool you- anyone asking for a parser is an e-peener and someone looking for an excuse to degrade others. The bane of any game and its community. -which btw is why they don't work here. Yoshi has seen "those people" that use lolmeterz and has found them to be trash.

That's one heck of a generalization. I'm a tank and healer player. DPS is for the random times I just don't feel like doing either, but usually bores me.

Back in WoW, I had my damage meter mod. You know what I used it for? If I was tanking or healing and I saw someone's damage was crazy low, I'd look at what abilities they are using, how much, etc and then ask them if they would like some advice on how to improve. If they did, I gave it. If not, I shrugged and continued on with the dungeon.

And if I was on a DPS class? Assuming another dps didn't need advice, I used it to judge whether my current rotation was up to snuff or if I needed to tweak things. I used it to be the best player I could. That doesn't make me an "e-peener" or someone who is just a rude asshat. In fact, that would be YOU for making such sweeping generalizations of people who like to use the tools that everyone has access to.

[Grembo]

One thing that everyone seems to be forgetting.... It doesn't have to be there for general play (duty finder and such).

Personally i'd like it if you could setup up dedicated raid teams in game through your FC. Raid Leaders assign who's in a group (option to add temps when needed) and can enable a host of UI options that the team can use, actual enmity numbers, DPS numbers and so forth.

Be nice to have a fixed party list order within your static too since everyone has to change it every single time we pop an instance.

Parsers shouldn't and don't need to be there for general play, I don't care that Steve the LV 50 Lancer in Titan HM has been autoattacking throughout the heart phase (Gratz on your Relic btw Steve) but for dedicated raid groups?

This kind of information is a necessity and no one should have to rely on innacurate 3rd party workarounds.

[Verius_Nox]

1. Did the person have lag issues?
2. Were they melee? Did they have to keep moving out of AoE's and thus stop DPSing?
3. Is the fight set up for steady DPS or burst? Maybe a cross?
4. Do they also have support skills that they may have to throw in to give others a hand?
5. Did the Tank pull without a Ready check?

1. Then they should make sure they have a stable connection, those lag issues could get them killed on fights with Titan. A dead mans DPS is 0.

2. Usually accounted for. If a fight is so drastically bad that a melee DPS can't achieve top DPS then it's either A. Melee DPS needs to be tuned up or B. The fight is bad for melee and you won't be taking very many(if any at all) for that particular fight

3. This question actually supports the use of a parser, seeing where a burst based DPS should be for burst required parts of a fight.(Conflags) or where a DPS isn't utilizing his cooldowns for a specific part(again Conflags). If the conflags go out with no problem, then there isn't a problem, if you're not making it through, the use of the parser allows you to see who needs to improve so your team can progress.

4. Usually accounted for. If people blindly go about the numbers then they're dumb, plain and simple. Can't blame a parser for this. e.g. can't blame the Bard for being lower than everyone when they were playing ballad/paeon

5. Irrelevant. Your DPS is what your DPS is regardless if you zoned out for 3 seconds before unloading on a boss or not.

[Abigs]

id rather have parsers than ridiculously high ilvl requirements for people using party finder

[Tashigi]

OP, you'll have to wait until the official addon tools are released.
Only then would we be able to see if something such as a fully accurate parser can be created.

I don't see why anyone would not want a parser. It's a very handy tool.
Knowledge is power. The more the better, IMO.

[NeoAmon]

Most replays are exactly what I tried to avoid in the OP. I'm asking for SE to fix their battle logs so we can have accurate parsers yet people are talking about abuse. This is sad, logic please. Parsers are already out there, they are already being used, how is keeping them inaccurate going to change anything?

1- SE releases their promised API.
2- SE adds personal parser that only shows your own damage/heals/threat.
3- Fix the broken battle logs and let the community create the tools.

Either way, wither SE does any of that or not is not going to stop players from using the current available tools. The abuse argument is silly as it is a tool! It does not automatically turn a nice person into a bully. When Tanks do bad everyone can see it, when healers fail the raid wipes. The best way for us DD to identify mistakes and weakness to be able to fix them is a parsing tool as it is far more accurate than "feelings".

[Mykll]

1. Then they should make sure they have a stable connection, those lag issues could get them killed on fights with Titan. A dead mans DPS is 0.

2. Usually accounted for. If a fight is so drastically bad that a melee DPS can't achieve top DPS then it's either A. Melee DPS needs to be tuned up or B. The fight is bad for melee and you won't be taking very many(if any at all) for that particular fight

3. This question actually supports the use of a parser, seeing where a burst based DPS should be for burst required parts of a fight.(Conflags) or where a DPS isn't utilizing his cooldowns for a specific part(again Conflags). If the conflags go out with no problem, then there isn't a problem, if you're not making it through, the use of the parser allows you to see who needs to improve so your team can progress.

4. Usually accounted for. If people blindly go about the numbers then they're dumb, plain and simple. Can't blame a parser for this. e.g. can't blame the Bard for being lower than everyone when they were playing ballad/paeon

5. Irrelevant. Your DPS is what your DPS is regardless if you zoned out for 3 seconds before unloading on a boss or not.

1. The entire game is not like Titan. And most people are unwilling to pay extra money just to have a better internet connection. I have 1 choice of internet out here in the country that does not have bandwidth limits. I won't pay about twice the money for possibly better internet and have my cap at 1 GB or less, and have to pay extra out the nose if I go over, or worse yet, they slow my internet down to a crawl like some do, which defeats the purpose of trying for a better internet provider. And I also won't pay for any VPN or other such connection, on top of my internet, on top of my monthly sub, when any lag I get in game, only happens in this one game and no other.

2. Or they are learning the fight, or they are not geared as well as everyone else.

3. So your team can progress? Good point for a parser. I agree. Unfortunately it will also be used to look down on random DF people. And with a lot of random DF people, after a wipe the rage quits start, which voids some of the "so your team can continue", unless you have a static, and hopefully your static won't be d-bags to each other.

4. People do blindly go with the numbers. Let's face it. People are idiots. Unfortunately the e-peen strokers will be a far greater number than the genuine "parser helper" people.

5. Get a DF for Titan or something. You were out in the wild spiritbonding crap gear. Everyone skips the movie, and before you can put in your real gear or the healers buff the tank pulls. It happens. And then someone will rage on you that you did low DPS and are wearing crap gear.

[SarcasmMisser]

I mean this is what you hope parsers are you used for, a tool to help each other grow, but the reality is that it's more often used to gate/alienate other players. I'm all for personal parsers that only shows your dmg though.

Hope? It's what I always see it used for in my static and circles of players.

Also really you make it sound like its the fault of the parser. The knife analogy used before is useful; why be against a useful tool because idiots misuse it, shouldn't you be against idiots?

And finally this point keeps on getting brought up but I must emphasise, I have no sympathy. Tanks deal with this all the time because bad tank play is obvious and cannot be dissolved into the group, bad healer play is also obvious as healer tasks are often divided. Dps however can hide in a group, and dissolve responsibility of poor play among the others when there is a single bad player. A parser brings them up to the level of responsibility and peer critique that the other roles deal with constantly, and being against this transparency really adds weight to the stereotype that dps players like to have no responsibility. You are not playing a single player game, there is teamwork and your contribution to the team is the teams business, you should have nothing to hide.

If people don't know how to take in the information a parser provides then that's their problem, and if they kicked you then they did you a favor since it's a bad group. As long as you take your role in a party seriously, are open to critique and ways to improve and always try to preform to the standard that content demands then you have nothing to fear.

[ZeroHigh]

Hope? It's what I always see it used for in my static and circles of players.

Also really you make it sound like its the fault of the parser. The knife analogy used before is useful; why be against a useful tool because idiots misuse it, shouldn't you be against idiots?

And finally this point keeps on getting brought up but I must emphasise, I have no sympathy. Tanks deal with this all the time because bad tank play is obvious and cannot be dissolved into the group, bad healer play is also obvious as healer tasks are often divided. Dps however can hide in a group, and dissolve responsibility of poor play among the others when there is a single bad player. A parser brings them up to the level of responsibility and peer critique that the other roles deal with constantly, and being against this transparency really adds weight to the stereotype that dps players like to have no responsibility. You are not playing a single player game, there is teamwork and your contribution to the team is the teams business, you should have nothing to hide.

If people don't know how to take in the information a parser provides then that's their problem, and if they kicked you then they did you a favor since it's a bad group. As long as you take your role in a party seriously, are open to critique and ways to improve and always try to preform to the standard that content demands then you have nothing to fear.

I also must emphasize something, No one is asking for YOUR sympathy lol. But as it stands the amount of people who uses it for the right reasons is way less than the people who abuse it. Yes, in static and circles of players it is useful, but a majority of players pug things. Like I said in a previous post via example, it causes more grief to the avg player than helps them. It's not really about a persons ability to take in information, its mainly the way others convey the information. Which one do you see more often in a group of strangers "Hey do you know your rotation?" "Do you know Titan phases?" or "WTF You suck, learn how to play your class, You're not even using...etc" "You can't dodge for shit, replace him." People raging/bitching/kicking other players is more common than people taking the time to explain things/having patience, wouldn't you agree? It's a wonderful tool if used correctly don't get me wrong. I main a tank so being treated poorly is hardly anything new for me, and people wonder why tanks are in short supply. haha.

Btw, Do you seriously think the misused knife analogy is even comparable to a parser being misused? Murder/stabbings equal to that of a couple of in game numbers? People complain and put down other players because their are no real consequences. Yes, we should be against idiots, I agree. But if you can prevent putting a tool in the hands of idiots who would abuse them, wouldn't you?

[Tupsi]

Oh btw SE has banned players for admitting the use of a Parser, since it is against the TOS.

Correction - FFXIVAPP, not the parser part of it. As much as we want to feign ignorance, you do realize XIVAPP can do much, much more than just parse, right? People used the Japanese one since Beta P1 and never gotten banned for it because the Japanese one doesn't allow plugins to give you huge advantages in the game ("unofficial" ones people used not offered by the site.)

People who use parsers to harass other players are why it got attention because of the admittance of using a 3rd party app, not the fact it was 'just a parser'.