Why can't we have the ability to create accurate Parser?

[Verius_Nox]

Never needed a parser in the old days, don't need one now. You should always look to better yourself, but Parsers are not the answer because they are far too open to abuse.

Because back in the ye old days, there weren't many DPS checks beyond your healers running out of mana. And before you go all crazy on me about ye old games, I've been playing these since UO.

I prefer having a parser because it allows me to see where I need to improve, and who, in the raids I lead, needs to improve. And how else would you find out you need to improve without accurate data? I can say "We need better DPS for this DPS check" all day but no one is going to always own up and say "I'll look to adjust my gear/food setup, and my rotation".

[SarcasmMisser]

Parsers are a great tool by yourself for min-maxing your damage output, and great in a group if you're not afraid of peer review. Peer review is how you learn how much you can improve, being against it is being against learning.

This is a pretty tired debate so I leave it at that. My mindset is always focused on improvement and being the best I can be at my job, some people don't care about that so what's the point of preaching. At the end of the day parsers will always exist one way or another so I have no stake in this matter.

[Thorauku]

Why can't SE detect the use of 3PP in the first place? I just don't understand this. If they're really eager to "somehow" fight the RMT, they should implement one. I know it's a never-ending process, but atleast it'll lessen the bots / 3PP users for sure.

[Dyssyd]

I'd like an accurate personal DPS meter with a full breakdown of your actions taken in combat, with relevant information like crit & hit rates. I don't really care about how others are doing, I just want to have access to information to refine my own play.

Groups that care about pushing themselves to peak performance can share their personal information among each other and give criticism and suggestions. People who don't want anything to do with it can simply not share their information. Abusive behavior would be impossible as the information would be all personal. Reinforce it by starting to ban/suspend for parsers.

It's a win for both sides.

[reality_check]

I'd like an accurate personal DPS meter with a full breakdown of your actions taken in combat, with relevant information like crit & hit rates.

Given that they don't even want to you to know what your actual crit% is...

[WellFooled]

Because it is not that hard to use your own two eyes to see if someone is being gimp or not.

You're right. And since we can already tell if someone has low dps, that must mean the parser can do something else. Like self improvement or the improvement of your static.

Yes, jerks will use it to put others down, but jerks will do that regardless. A knife can be used to stab someone or you can prepare food with it. A parser can be used to insult people or to improve your performance.

[JanVanding]

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Vanilla WoW (widely regarded as the best itteration of WoW) also managed to make boss fights interesting without the need of DPS Parsing, I was one of those people that disagreed with the whole "Enrage" mechanic on every boss ever, the odd one or two bosses? Definatley (Doomlord Kazzak comes immediatley to mind) but the way the Enrage mechanic is being used in modern MMO's is a lazy way of making bosses difficult without interesting strats (Even then it isn't a difficulty curve it's a gear gate). Vanilla WoW managed to achieve progressive play without Enrage on every boss, The whole progression from Dungeon to 24 to 40 man raid was natural and actually a lot more fun.

It's a Shame that we will never see the likes of Nefarian, Ragnaros or Cromagus boss battles again, because folk are quite happy to settle with "Enrage" and judge on figures that are more rough estimates than hard facts.

[ZeroHigh]

Parsers are a great tool by yourself for min-maxing your damage output, and great in a group if you're not afraid of peer review. Peer review is how you learn how much you can improve, being against it is being against learning.

This is a pretty tired debate so I leave it at that. My mindset is always focused on improvement and being the best I can be at my job, some people don't care about that so what's the point of preaching. At the end of the day parsers will always exist one way or another so I have no stake in this matter.

I mean this is what you hope parsers are you used for, a tool to help each other grow, but the reality is that it's more often used to gate/alienate other players. I'm all for personal parsers that only shows your dmg though.

[JanVanding]

To add (sorry for the double post unfortunatley character limited in each post) The reason I call DPS Parsers "Estimates" is they do not account for several factors:

1. Did the person have lag issues?

2. Were they melee? Did they have to keep moving out of AoE's and thus stop DPSing?

3. Is the fight set up for steady DPS or burst? Maybe a cross?

4. Do they also have support skills that they may have to throw in to give others a hand?

5. Did the Tank pull without a Ready check?

These are all factors a DPS Parser cannot account for, besides you already HAVE a DPS parser, it's called a stopwatch. The Quicker you kill something, the better you are doing, heck set a timer on your phone and play beat the clock.

[ZeroHigh]

To add (sorry for the double post unfortunatley character limited in each post) The reason I call DPS Parsers "Estimates" is they do not account for several factors:

1. Did the person have lag issues?

2. Were they melee? Did they have to keep moving out of AoE's and thus stop DPSing?

3. Is the fight set up for steady DPS or burst? Maybe a cross?

4. Do they also have support skills that they may have to throw in to give others a hand?

5. Did the Tank pull without a Ready check?

These are all factors a DPS Parser cannot account for, besides you already HAVE a DPS parser, it's called a stopwatch. The Quicker you kill something, the better you are doing, heck set a timer on your phone and play beat the clock.

You can "Edit" to bypass the character limit. lol.