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  1. #21
    Player
    Itseotle's Avatar
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    Itseotle Irracido
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    Diabolos
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    Dragoon Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Vodomir View Post
    That still won't cut it. Skull Sunder is Single Target only and face the fact that even WAR will find themselves in a rough spot to hold aggro against semi-competent DPS when using Skull Sunder alone. Mind you that DRGs don't have defiance, and can't combo this move - there's no way to hold aggro with the rest of your DDs going all out. Switching to lancer doesn't really help either (you'll only gimp yourself on the STR department even more and lose out on valuable Off-GCD DPS-Skills; less DPS -> less aggro), as DRG don't have access to Shield Oath and are also rather weak with their MP pools and even a PLD can't hold aggro on all of his targets by using flash alone - so how is a DRG supposed to do it?

    And while you say using skull sunder every once in a while grabs aggro quite easily, this is only true because you did this with your regular DPS build, so using a full DPS rotation with the odd emnity move inbetween will of course "grab threat pretty easily". But what we are looking at is a 7.4k HP build, that will lack a massive amount of DPS stats, Skull Sunder won't make up for it.
    ANd I never said it was viable in a lot of encounters. It is definitely situational, and your right you won't be able to hold threat against DPS going all out but the point I was trying to make is when a DRG is called to tank, its usually only for a couple seconds anyways. I in no way think a DRG tank is an "optimal" idea.
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  2. #22
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    Robin Locksley
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    Lamia
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    Archer Lv 50
    I like the IDEA of a Lancer tank.... but it would thoroughly require the entire armory system to be modified....
    There are 3 tiers of tank gear...
    1.) the GLD/MRD gear that is interchangeable.... Darklight included
    2.) JOB specific gear... AF1 & 2
    3.) The gear that LNC/GLD/MRD can equip that is light/heavy armor... cuirasses, hauber's

    If the LNC was to open up a 2nd JOB as a TNK... the whole system wouldnt mesh...

    The 3rd tier gear would become obsolete.... even for Low-mid levels... why get that gear if the heavy armor would now be equipable, or worse off.... the TNK LNC job wont have access to the Heavy Armor options, and the game will have to create a whole line of gear types solely for the LNC TNK... and not just high level, for the 30/35/40/45 tiers as well, on top of ilivl 55/60/70/80/90 and future gear levels.... that would be alot of modifications to force a TNK role as a secondary role of a DPS class, let alone matching new emnity generating abilities

    I could see a role like Knight coming off of the LNC class.... like Swiss Army Knights that guard the Vatican. Or a Pole-armed Jouster.... and could be used as a tank class off of the LNC, but again, what will happen to those light/heavy armors that only the LNC/DRG will wear in the mid levels that are one of the reasons I leveled a DRG to 50... cool gear sets that will no longer be a viable option unless you go straight DPS DRG, which lets face it, there are enough high level DRG's already
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  3. #23
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    Gamemako's Avatar
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    Elysia Mazda
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Armorer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyHighDN View Post
    I like the IDEA of a Lancer tank.... but it would thoroughly require the entire armory system to be modified....
    There are 3 tiers of tank gear...
    Incorrect. LNC already have access to tank armor in the form of complete sets of scale armors. Iron scale set (ilvl23) steel scale set (ilvl32), horn scale set (ilvl38), tortoiseshell set (ilvl46). These likely exist to in part to bridge the gap between class (LNC) and tank job, since endgame LNC as a DPS cannot equip tank armor. It is likely that the job would simply gain access to additional heavy armors that the class does not, just as SCH has access to endgame healing equipment and books which ACN cannot equip. Additonally, LNC design is terribly similar to MRD already and could easily be adapted to tanking.

    I don't even think it's a question of if we'll see a LNC tank but what and when. Most common suggestion is Templar (primarily from Ivalice setting, also in BD), being that it already has a good justification due to the Ishgardian theocracy. Would be odd to me, however, because DRG is already associated with Ishgard.
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  4. #24
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    Ferocious's Avatar
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    Fierce Agent
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 68
    Quote Originally Posted by Thorauku View Post
    You can't meld VIT materia to a HQ Armor, and if you are to use a non-HQ, the materia meld cap will be just the same as the HQ ones.
    Actually since the OP is using tank accessories, it would be better if he goes for i70 HQ Gryphon accessories with +10 VIT melded and whatever else the materia cap is for dps stats. You can generally squeeze in some determination, skill speed and critical hit on them. That would keep his dps maintained and most likely close to 6k HP unbuffed. I know I love my HQ Gryphon Ring which is melded with: Vit IV, Savage Aim III x2, Savage Might IV, Vit II. Makes it compatible for both tank and dps classes.
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  5. #25
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    Yvaine Isaulde
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocious View Post
    Actually since the OP is using tank accessories, it would be better if he goes for i70 HQ Gryphon accessories with +10 VIT melded and whatever else the materia cap is for dps stats. You can generally squeeze in some determination, skill speed and critical hit on them. That would keep his dps maintained and most likely close to 6k HP unbuffed. I know I love my HQ Gryphon Ring which is melded with: Vit IV, Savage Aim III x2, Savage Might IV, Vit II. Makes it compatible for both tank and dps classes.
    Blergh. The one I quoted was referring to "Armors" not Accessories, that's why I corrected him that he can't meld VIT materias to Armor parts.
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  6. #26
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    Fierce Agent
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    Leviathan
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    Arcanist Lv 68
    Quote Originally Posted by Thorauku View Post
    Blergh. The one I quoted was referring to "Armors" not Accessories, that's why I corrected him that he can't meld VIT materias to Armor parts.
    Blergh. Who said you were wrong? On the subject of crafting, I only suggested that it would be better to use melded accessories instead of i90 accessories to keep his dps up.
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  7. #27
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    Dante Goldenpaws
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Cool but pointless?

    5k HP is all you need to eat a WW without any buffs and not die. Keen Flurry cuts it down to like 2600 or less depending on your STR.
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  8. #28
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    Yvaine Isaulde
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    Tonberry
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    Lancer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferocious View Post
    Blergh. Who said you were wrong? On the subject of crafting, I only suggested that it would be better to use melded accessories instead of i90 accessories to keep his dps up.
    I don't see any reason why you should quote me in the first place.

    And nope, he's just doing this for show, so he doesn't really need to balance it out. Who in their right mind will actually pump up their VIT for actual use?
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  9. #29
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 90
    Is this even needed? I've played 3 ways with JP players often enough, and I tanked Chirada as a Bard.
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  10. #30
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    Essie L'caelum
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    Unicorn
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    White Mage Lv 80
    looks cool o.o but i think a little less HP and higher dps would be better in this fight >.<
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