Ul'dah Civil War?

[lilirulu]

The Immortal Flames are Ul'dah military while the Brass Blade and Stone Torches are more akin to the police force (though the obviously more personal police force of certain members). Even if the Brass Blades/Stone Torches weren't there doesn't change that Ul'dah was there.

And if the Immortal Flames could have removed them would have done so by now. It's not so easy as "taking over the garrison" the IF aren't attached to the BB they are two separate entities run by separate people. If Raubahn tried to get rid of the Brass Blades it would have only ended with war within Ul'dah.

The Sultana's plan was the best and well...we know what happened there.

Edit: After re-reading this I didn't flesh out my thoughts enough.

The Brass Blades are an army but a personal army for Teledji/Lolorito. So using might against them isn't the solution. It'd be a better bet to try to convince Teledji/Lolorito to disband them and we know that they wouldn't. So the only solution would be to remove the two from the Syndicate. Which would only lead to public outcry as they did nothing wrong other then have the Brass Blades under their control. Raubahn then should also be removed from the Syndicate for being the Leader of the Immortal Flames.

Nanamo's plan was the best option because if Raubahn was the leader of Ul'dah he could then force the Brass Blades/Stone Torches to be disbanded or at the very least weakened.

[RobinRethiel]

Public outcry? What now? Are they corrupt or not? Why should there be an outcry, when some fascists at the top vanish? Most people suffer from these guys, but can do a **** against it.

There may be a public outcry when you exchange satan with the devil, for example give the power to Limsi who then treat Uldah like their personal outpost. To just dispatch those Lala leaders (and whom would the people believe? Raubahn, Merl and Kan, or some (dead) guy in a blue jacket?), would have been the best idea by far. Kan just could have healed Raubahn (I mean, it was a Crystal Brave who attacked him!), while Merl shots the blue guy (for attacking the general of Uldah!) and Raubahn wipes the floor with Lolorito (for killing the Sultana - no matter if he did or not, just blame it to him).

Then there would be no Brass Blades leader anymore and most of them would just accept this and that the guy who paid them is a regicide.

[Belhi]

The GC leaders from the other city states getting involved would risk a war between the city states. Assuming they could just take down Lolorito, its quite possible he isn't the only faction head and if the GC leaders got involved in such a way it would very likely sway public opinion in favour of surviving Moneterists, as it would look like foreign powers trying to set someone up as a leader of Ul'dah. As dodgy as it was, the Moneterists did have the law on their side. Shady as hell but still justified. Considering we did have the poison vial on our person and we were their when she died they were perfectly in their rights to arrest us. Further, Raubahn going on a rampage, while justified, was illegal. Even had he succeeded in slaughtering them all, his standing with the populous would be very poor and rumors would quite likely start suggesting he was the one who arranged the assassination of the Sultana.

[DamianFatale]

The people of Uldah should form a secret group, and covertly take out the Sultana. That would be the easiest solution.

[DamianFatale]

The people of Uldah should form a secret group, and covertly take out the Sultana. That would be the easiest solution.

Oops, I meant the syndicate.

[Theodric]

Oops, I meant the syndicate.

There's no real way to 'covertly' take out an influential organisation such as the Syndicate. People would notice, investigations would be initiated and martial law would likely be declared to stop the panic in the streets. There's decent people associated with the Syndicate too - Dewlala is fairly reasonable and then there's all the merchants/guards associated with the organisation who are just doing their jobs. Ul'dah is - at its core - a city empowered by trade. It would likely fade into obscurity if it lost that power - which is what would happen if the Syndicate were to be destroyed or dismantled.

[treuhavik]

. . . take out the Syndicate.

BRING IT!

[Jamafore]

Eliminating Ul'Dah is not an option. Simply because of the fact that it would leave a power vacuum in most of Southern Eorzea, and history tells us that power vacuums are not a good thing to have.

That is not including the fact that if you wipe out Ul'Dah, you have not only wiped out a third of the Alliance's standing forces, but also what is quite probably the trade hub for Eorzea. So the economy would collapse and the entirety of Eorzea would be in shambles and ripe for Garlean takeover.

Also, it's doubtful that the other cities would be able to do anything to back up the Flames in the case of a civil war. It would most likely be seen as an internal matter and therefore the couldn't do anything, to say nothing of the political ickstorm it would stir up for them to mobilize. It'd be like Britain mobilizing their army to get involved in a civil war in France.

Honestly, since WoL is a commissioned officer in at least one of the Grand Companies, they should not have gotten involved in the Ishgardian War for that reason, but you're probably given more leeway in that in the fact that the are basically what amounts to a mercenary with a commission. (And the whole main character thing)

[BlakeWolfe]

Honestly, since WoL is a commissioned officer in at least one of the Grand Companies, they should not have gotten involved in the Ishgardian War for that reason, but you're probably given more leeway in that in the fact that the are basically what amounts to a mercenary with a commission. (And the whole main character thing)

The WoL is ultimately treated as an adventurer first and fore most, not as their rank in whichever GC they choose to join (of which they can also leave). As for "they should not have gotten involved in the Isghardian War", Ishgard's war was against dragons, which aren't really classified as people (spoken) but as scalekin, just another animal (going by Eorzean naturalists), or even an actual nation. Best thing to compare it to would be a mercenary running from English/Polish/German military courts for a crime he didn't commit, and along the way help out a French village that's been under seize by an enormous pack of wolves.

[Jamafore]

The WoL is ultimately treated as an adventurer first and fore most, not as their rank in whichever GC they choose to join (of which they can also leave). As for "they should not have gotten involved in the Isghardian War", Ishgard's war was against dragons, which aren't really classified as people (spoken) but as scalekin, just another animal (going by Eorzean naturalists), or even an actual nation. Best thing to compare it to would be a mercenary running from English/Polish/German military courts for a crime he didn't commit, and along the way help out a French village that's been under seize by an enormous pack of wolves.

This is true, for some reason I got it into my head that Ishgard was inn what amounts to a civil war, my mistake. Sorry bout that