Ul'dah Civil War?

[RobinRethiel]

Did you miss the part where they were good enough at manipulating that they got a high ranking Royalist Sultansworn to chase after you believing that you were the Monetarist agent?

And? Since they already failed once at that, it would make it a lot harder to do it again. And it is a job quest, I would not give THAT much on it.

[Ultimatecalibur]

And? Since they already failed once at that, it would make it a lot harder to do it again. And it is a job quest, I would not give THAT much on it.

You managed to make one dupe realize that he had been duped, but that does not change that the Monatarists have compromised the Sultansworn and already have things that allow them to manipulate the Paladins.

A low level questline in Horizon makes it obvious that this is the Monatarists' standard and well practiced operating procedure: The stunt that they pulled on the Crystal Braves is identical to the stunt they've already pulled on the Sultansworn and the Brass Blades.

[RobinRethiel]

You managed to make one dupe realize that he had been duped, but that does not change that the Monatarists have compromised the Sultansworn and already have things that allow them to manipulate the Paladins.

A low level questline in Horizon makes it obvious that this is the Monatarists' standard and well practiced operating procedure: The stunt that they pulled on the Crystal Braves is identical to the stunt they've already pulled on the Sultansworn and the Brass Blades.

That's the problem. It's "standard". Also if it is know, that the Sultwansworn are corrupt, you would not let them guard the palace, but the flames.

[lilirulu]

We had a whole patch dedicated to outing a spy from the Immortal Flames. The Sultansworn are no more or less corrupt then anything in Ul'dah and even then that doesn't mean they'll shut down a whole order over some corruption. Ul'dah is a city state where such things are simply an everyday occurrence. Twice within the opening story you have to deal with Ul'dah's corruption first Brass Blades try to frame the Merchant with smuggling then later you have to deal with corruption within the brass blades.

If they got rid of every order that was corrupt in Ul'dah they'd have no one to guard Ul'dah.

[Ultimatecalibur]

That's the problem. It's "standard". Also if it is know, that the Sultwansworn are corrupt, you would not let them guard the palace, but the flames.

That is just how pervasive the Monatarists are. There is no group in Ul'dah that is outside their influence right now. Even the Immortal Flames have Monatarist agents secretly among them. That's why Ilberd's betrayal was so influential: Raubahn's old friend, the man they trust to be outside the Monatarist influence, was their agent.

[RobinRethiel]

Well, that's super boring then. Thanks...

Super Capitalists! Ho!

If they got rid of every order that was corrupt in Ul'dah they'd have no one to guard Ul'dah.

Yeah, whatever, it's about the plans of the Sultana. But yeah, of course everyone is corrupt in Uldah - so let's just burn it, I would say. Seems to be hell itself, the way you talk about it.

[lilirulu]

Killing everyone is Ul'dah would solve the problem but also cause about a million more. Ul'dah is nessecary to stop Eorzea from getting taken over by Garlemald. Burning it to the ground would just be the same as putting out the doormat for Garlemald to take over.

And corruption isn't something you can just get rid of. People who are corrupt aren't going to so easily let themselves be taken down. And in Ul'dah's case removing some of these people could cause massive instability leading to civil war. Civil War is also bad because the Garleans would use it as another means of taking over Eorzea.

The long and short of it is that there is no easy solution just one that hurts less then the other and no one knows which that is.

[RobinRethiel]

No, a corrupt Uldah (as you describe it) does not help at all. It's a threat so have to be destroyed or at least somehow else taken care of. It's an enemy, no ally. Of course when it is like you described it.

Sure there is always the danger of corruption, but what you describe is a failed stated in total. Everyone is corrupt so Uldah can't be an ally anymore. Period.

[lilirulu]

Not all of Ul'dah is corrupt to be clear. The humble merchants and civilians of Ul'dah aren't (all) corrupt. It's the Monetarist who are and they are people leading Ul'dah. The Sultansworn and Immortal Flames aren't corrupt but the Monetarist have near infinite means into manipulating, misdirecting, and straight-up misleading them into doing what they want.

The Ul'dah we know no matter how corrupt is important to Eorzea's sovereignty. Ul'dah was at Cartenaeu and helped during Operation Archon. They are a very important trade partner for Limsa Lominsa and Gridania. Ul'dah is apart of the Eorzean Alliance. Destroying it would have serious consequences for everyone without including the fact the Garleans would undoubtedly try to take over (and most likely succeed). The corruption within Ul'dah needs to be dealt with but you just can't just beat it out of it you need to be careful or else you risk making things even worse.

[Lucke]

The Brass Blades and Stone Torches had 0 presence in either of those 2 campaigns. That was all Raubahn and the Flamers. Brass Blades are the defensive force and the Torches protect the mines/miners. The only group that helped us in any capacity was the Flamers.

I'm unsure of how corrupt the Torches are to be honest, but I think the Flamers could fairly easily take over the garrison from the Blades.

Also interesting to note is the huge Flamer Garrison in North Thanalan. No presence of Brass Blades or the Torches as far as I know. They could be recalled to help the Ul'dahn garrison. The Castrum there only has a skeleton crew, I belive a few Flamers can leave and still have Northern Thanalan secured.

The Monetraists don't care about anything other than themselves. They didn't send any forces outside Ul'dah because that would leave the Syndicate weakened.