Lol @ Melee vs Leviathan

[mythicrose]

Why is everyone all "OMG NO I HATES THE SE" if their job isn't the completely perfect for a fight? Do you have to always be top DPS? Will your epeen fall off if you can't top the hate list? I am sure a team of ranged and melee will be able to take down Leviathan and have fun doing it!

It's not about being top dps. Outside of static groups, it's about exclusion of melee (or a token melee) because they present more of a possible liability to the group than bringing another ranged damage dealer. Again there is nothing to go by with Leviathan yet but if (and I do mean if) he can't be flanked or attacked from the rear, melee damage suffers. The overall community will not want to take them. This is what the thread originator is afraid of happening.

[Gojin]

all Im saying SE better shape up cause april is around the corner!

[saber_alter]

You would have to halt your DPS to wait for his rear attack to go off if you planned on doing it every time. It's more beneficial to just spam from the side where it's safe.

...and then the tank dies because no one chose to bait the tail swipe, right.

i seriously hope that they aren't going to go demon wall route with this. impulse drive is a real pain in the ass with fights like that (because i lose the effects of an entire damned combo).

[Esmian]

It's possible and hopefully probable they'll have the actual hitbox further out into the platform and you'll still be able to do rear attacks easily. Or they won't and when the fight is released we'll spend about a week or so calling the battle system devs a bunch of baddies before we go back to complaining about memorizing another fight or something.

[Fawkes]

I don't know why people think Demon Wall isn't a good example. Sure it's cake now that we're all overgeared, but when it was new everyone said it was a DPS check. So, having reduced DPS due to the layout probably did give some early DRGs and MNKs some problems. But even if nobody ever had a problem with it, it still shows SE is willing to put encounters in where positional attacks are unavailable. We all hope that they know better for this fight and that he'll poke his head in far enough or plop his tail down so we can poke that, but some of us still have a tendency to always expect the worst from SE.

[Pylfer]

Time to roll black mage!

[BoomerOU]

I don't know why people think Demon Wall isn't a good example. Sure it's cake now that we're all overgeared, but when it was new everyone said it was a DPS check. So, having reduced DPS due to the layout probably did give some early DRGs and MNKs some problems. But even if nobody ever had a problem with it, it still shows SE is willing to put encounters in where positional attacks are unavailable. We all hope that they know better for this fight and that he'll poke his head in far enough or plop his tail down so we can poke that, but some of us still have a tendency to always expect the worst from SE.

As a melee who waded through the 'LFM AK brd, blm, smn only' groups when people were first hitting endgame content I think demon wall is a perfect example of why preventing positional attacks on bosses is blown out of proportion in a gaming community. When the fight is a primal with the potential to have HM and EX versions I think this mentality will be exponentially multiplied. Granted many won't care, but many will.


IMO it's a valid concern, one I hope SE will prevent by having the hitbox entirely in the arena and his underbelly will count as ' behind ' even though graphically the tail is in the water.

[Ghasto]

I'll bet it all that Leviathans head with have the target ring around it and melee who get behind the ring (facing the tank) will be on Leviathans rear.

[Lord_Zlatan]

I'm more confused by the claim of knowing how it works from a 26 second video.

true that... obviously it'll be a solo only fight too >.>

[Gamemako]

Yet, after all that stuff, they're still able to do damage! Huzzah, Eorzea is saved!

To the bolded part:

You would have to halt your DPS to wait for his rear attack to go off if you planned on doing it every time. It's more beneficial to just spam from the side where it's safe.

The magical thing about Tail Whip is that you trigger it by moving behind, attack, and move back out of the way all in one beautiful motion. Tail Whip is a non-issue. More accurate would be Demon Wall, where DRG can't get Disembowel bonus at all and suffers a 16% damage reduction in addition to closing time and Repel position needs.

DPS loss? maybe
Major? I doubt it. There are still side attacks

About ~6% DPS loss due to dropping rear attacks altogether. You lose Bootshine crit, 40 potency on Demolish, and 40 potency on True Strike. As above, DRG gets clobbered by comparison, losing 440 potency per 24-GCD rotation (replace CT with FT combos) as well as the 10% debuff.