Lol @ Melee vs Leviathan

[Swishytail]

As a Monk, this is all I need to say:

[RyokoUematsu]

As a Monk, this is all I need to say:

Agreed! (once we detect a partyfinder group that allows melee classes)

[EasymodeX]

Demon Wall is a trivial and irrelevant encounter.


If Levi is unattackable by rear positionals for most or all of the fight, then DRGs will lose like ~14% of their DPS with an additional loss of BRD DPS by ~7.5% and SE will look very stupid.

However, a brief video is /shrug. IDGAF until we see a meaningful stretch of the encounter (or the whole thing).

[mythicrose]

Demon Wall is a trivial and irrelevant encounter.


If Levi is unattackable by rear positionals for most or all of the fight, then DRGs will lose like ~14% of their DPS with an additional loss of BRD DPS by ~7.5% and SE will look very stupid.

However, a brief video is /shrug. IDGAF until we see a meaningful stretch of the encounter (or the whole thing).

This. For all we know Leviathan could trap ranged in a bubble that suffocates and immobilizing them requiring melee to break them out. Watery grave or something... Not enough known yet to pass judgement.

[SayuriHime]

Why is everyone all "OMG NO I HATES THE SE" if their job isn't the completely perfect for a fight? Do you have to always be top DPS? Will your epeen fall off if you can't top the hate list? I am sure a team of ranged and melee will be able to take down Leviathan and have fun doing it!

[mythicrose]

Why is everyone all "OMG NO I HATES THE SE" if their job isn't the completely perfect for a fight? Do you have to always be top DPS? Will your epeen fall off if you can't top the hate list? I am sure a team of ranged and melee will be able to take down Leviathan and have fun doing it!

It's not about being top dps. Outside of static groups, it's about exclusion of melee (or a token melee) because they present more of a possible liability to the group than bringing another ranged damage dealer. Again there is nothing to go by with Leviathan yet but if (and I do mean if) he can't be flanked or attacked from the rear, melee damage suffers. The overall community will not want to take them. This is what the thread originator is afraid of happening.

[Gojin]

all Im saying SE better shape up cause april is around the corner!

[Esmian]

It's possible and hopefully probable they'll have the actual hitbox further out into the platform and you'll still be able to do rear attacks easily. Or they won't and when the fight is released we'll spend about a week or so calling the battle system devs a bunch of baddies before we go back to complaining about memorizing another fight or something.

[Fawkes]

I don't know why people think Demon Wall isn't a good example. Sure it's cake now that we're all overgeared, but when it was new everyone said it was a DPS check. So, having reduced DPS due to the layout probably did give some early DRGs and MNKs some problems. But even if nobody ever had a problem with it, it still shows SE is willing to put encounters in where positional attacks are unavailable. We all hope that they know better for this fight and that he'll poke his head in far enough or plop his tail down so we can poke that, but some of us still have a tendency to always expect the worst from SE.

[BoomerOU]

I don't know why people think Demon Wall isn't a good example. Sure it's cake now that we're all overgeared, but when it was new everyone said it was a DPS check. So, having reduced DPS due to the layout probably did give some early DRGs and MNKs some problems. But even if nobody ever had a problem with it, it still shows SE is willing to put encounters in where positional attacks are unavailable. We all hope that they know better for this fight and that he'll poke his head in far enough or plop his tail down so we can poke that, but some of us still have a tendency to always expect the worst from SE.

As a melee who waded through the 'LFM AK brd, blm, smn only' groups when people were first hitting endgame content I think demon wall is a perfect example of why preventing positional attacks on bosses is blown out of proportion in a gaming community. When the fight is a primal with the potential to have HM and EX versions I think this mentality will be exponentially multiplied. Granted many won't care, but many will.


IMO it's a valid concern, one I hope SE will prevent by having the hitbox entirely in the arena and his underbelly will count as ' behind ' even though graphically the tail is in the water.