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  1. #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoohre_WildRiver View Post
    stop thinking UNCAPPED = easy mode!!!!

    it wont be easy if you enter as a R25-35!

    easy mode comes from the user you can make it as hard as you want, want extra hard? try doing the dungeon with no healer and only potions.
    it has been mentionned many times but I'll let you in on it again. People, given the chance, will always go for the easy way if it is available to them. If there was a greater chance of rewards by doing it in a harder way, sure people would do it. But without any incentive, no one will do it. So saying that the only way to get a challenging fight is to go with a group of 4 25s won't be a popular idea in the community, people will require higher levels to complete it on easy mode since the rewards will be the same on top of the fact that those will be doable once per day, so failure is not an option. People will say: you need to be "this" big to enter. Trying to find a group that goes in to face a challenge will be pretty much imposible. Even the people here saying they want a challenge, most of them will end up going in the easy way to beat it and get the rewards. Give people more option with an optional cap with greater rewards (a bit like heroics in WoW but with a better replay value since player will never out-level the content).
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  2. #182
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    Quote Originally Posted by weeble View Post
    and caps don't remove freedoms, it adds freedoms. and if didn't well then shackle my ass and hall me away.
    In this case you are right. If you would want to do the mid-rank dungeon in it's prime which is by playing at recommended level, these are the outcomes:

    Without cap = "Hey, I don't want to clear this dungeon so easy, but

    1. The class(es) I would like to play as is(are) fully capped.
    2. I don't want to play with the ones I have at mid-rank.
    3. I don't have any mid-rank class, only higher ones."

    With cap = "I can choose any class I want to play as that is either mid-rank or over."
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  3. #183
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petori View Post
    In this case you are right. If you would want to do the mid-rank dungeon in it's prime which is by playing at recommended level, these are the outcomes:

    Without cap = "Hey, I don't want to clear this dungeon so easy, but

    1. The class(es) I would like to play as is(are) fully capped.
    2. I don't want to play with the ones I have at mid-rank.
    3. I don't have any mid-rank class, only higher ones."

    With cap = "I can choose any class I want to play as that is either mid-rank or over."
    but it does remove a freedom, it removes the freedom of doing the job uncapped if you wanted to do that

    and more people will have jobs at or below the cap then ALL jobs over the cap
    so who gets hurt more by it?

  4. #184
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petori View Post
    In this case you are right. If you would want to do the mid-rank dungeon in it's prime which is by playing at recommended level, these are the outcomes:

    Without cap = "Hey, I don't want to clear this dungeon so easy, but

    1. The class(es) I would like to play as is(are) fully capped.
    2. I don't want to play with the ones I have at mid-rank.
    3. I don't have any mid-rank class, only higher ones."

    With cap = "I can choose any class I want to play as that is either mid-rank or over."
    then if all your classes are ranked play the 50 dungeon why waste you time with a rank 25 dungeon.
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  5. #185
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    Oh how I wish I could personally attack people without getting banned sometimes. Do some of you just not think?
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  6. #186
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra View Post
    it has been mentionned many times but I'll let you in on it again. People, given the chance, will always go for the easy way if it is available to them. If there was a greater chance of rewards by doing it in a harder way, sure people would do it. But without any incentive, no one will do it. So saying that the only way to get a challenging fight is to go with a group of 4 25s won't be a popular idea in the community, people will require higher levels to complete it on easy mode since the rewards will be the same on top of the fact that those will be doable once per day, so failure is not an option. People will say: you need to be "this" big to enter. Trying to find a group that goes in to face a challenge will be pretty much imposible. Even the people here saying they want a challenge, most of them will end up going in the easy way to beat it and get the rewards. Give people more option with an optional cap with greater rewards (a bit like heroics in WoW but with a better replay value since player will never out-level the content).
    then people are not playing for the challenge and fun, they are just playing for the "material" rewards.
    well for some, beating a challenging dungeon is reward enough its call the feeling of acomplishment. you can have this is you do the r25 dungeon @ 25 + some material reward or, @50 you can just get the material reward and learn the lore if your into that.
    either way is winz winz
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    Last edited by Yoohre_WildRiver; 06-23-2011 at 03:00 AM.

  7. #187
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demacia View Post
    Oh how I wish I could personally attack people without getting banned sometimes. Do some of you just not think?
    naa that would be easy mode... the ban makes it challenging for you just like the level cap!
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  8. #188
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    but it does remove a freedom, it removes the freedom of doing the job uncapped if you wanted to do that

    and more people will have jobs at or below the cap then ALL jobs over the cap
    so who gets hurt more by it?
    First one has a point but I don't really get the second one.

    Quote Originally Posted by syntaxlies View Post
    then if all your classes are ranked play the 50 dungeon why waste you time with a rank 25 dungeon.
    Maybe for the experience and fun? <_< Which this game currently lacks pretty much.
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    "What's the point of Going to the R30 Dungeon when you can go do the R50 Dungeon" Why don't you just tell SE not to bother to put the Dungeon in at all :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petori View Post
    First one has a point but I don't really get the second one.



    Maybe for the experience and fun? <_< Which this game currently lacks pretty much.
    its simple actualy, if ALL your jobs over over 50 you shouldnt care about lower dungeons

    you should be asking for more higher dungeons instead

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