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    I just got kicked from CT for pulling too fast, by a pre-made

    I had a five-person group in my party. I was pulling each pack of trash ten seconds after every alliance member was in the area.

    They said 'Stop pulling, the other groups aren't ready.' The other groups had said absolutely nothing and they were all in the area, so I said 'It's fine, they're all here.' and they proceeded to call me a douche.
    Before the boss, the five-person group said 'hold on while we kick him, sorry for pulling while you weren't ready' and they kicked me. The other alliances objected and said that they were all ready and there was no problem.

    Why is there nothing in place to prevent this?
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    Last edited by Yenn; 01-27-2014 at 07:25 AM.

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    This is a joke thread, right?
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    Claire Pendragon
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    The answer to your question stems from the very question you asked.

    Why is there nothing in place to prevent this?
    Instead of suggesting WHAT should be done, you just shrug it off, for someone else to think up the impossible.

    There is no way to prevent this abuse, simply because the game cant tell whats fair or not fair.

    if you knew of a system that would fix it, you would have said "Why didnt they just do X to fix it?"
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    CLAIRE PENDRAGON

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    You can report for harassment.

    Or you could have asked if it was okay to pull - in your own party.

    If it was a matter that you were pulling too fast for them, then perhaps you can ask them next time or go into alliance and say /a "Group B ready" usually people catch on and reply. That way your given a reason to pull.
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    Every single kick that ever happens needs it's own thread.
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    Well, i'd say you deserved it. They told you to wait for a green light and you didn't. Stop whining and learn to play in a team.
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    Eh, not that I agree with these constant "I got kicked ;_;" threads, but the idea that people won't kick you from parties for no good reason is silly. Of course he could have been with five people who wanted to see a ten second ready check on every trash pull, complete with countdown, I doubt the rest of the alliance wanted that. It's just the Skeletal Dragon trash after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowDan View Post
    Well, i'd say you deserved it. They told you to wait for a green light and you didn't. Stop whining and learn to play in a team.
    If everyone is in the group there, on CT trash, you don't need a hand delivered presidential authorization to pull the group. Even if 5 people are afk you should still breeze through in CT trash with 19 people. (you could probably do it with 12 people actually)

    Quote Originally Posted by kayuwoody View Post
    This really. Doesn't matter if you were right or wrong, you weren't playing with the majority. They were well within their rights to kick you.
    And in this case, I would argue that you were in the wrong in the first place. It is the standard etiquette to have all 3 groups announce they are ready before any pulls begin.
    They are absolutely not within their rights to kick him, which is reserved only for strict circumstances like cheating, afk, harassment or disconnect. You not liking someone or disagreeing with them is not grounds for votekick, and people such as yourself are what making this system abusive. You cannot kick someone for bad gear, if they are going to roll on your same item, not being top DPS, for not knowing the instance or being new, etc...

    Anyways, they need to clean up the votekick system to actually only afk/disconnect/hard trolling, or else it will just be ruled like players such as yourself who will kick anyone at any whim they feel sufficient. As near full 90 on multiple characters, this type of bad behavior is slowly persuading me not even want to use DF anymore, as just yesterday, I was almost kicked out of a DF group in Haukke Manor Hard mode, on the final boss of the dungeon, as a tank for not "dpsing enough" on the last boss because the ads weren't dying quick enough. I was doing about equal damage (as a tank) with one of the Dragoons who was obviously new, but I never said a word about it and they were harassing me and was about 1 inch from kicking me for not dpsing, and they they got hit by a red circle and tried to say its my fault... These type of people having vote kick free reign will turn the DF into strictly a place to accommodate the lowest common denominator player, and then yes please make another thread on the forums here when you can't find tanks for instances or have long wait times in queue.
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    Last edited by Squa; 01-28-2014 at 01:39 AM.

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    Kytre Ashaer
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    Honestly, as much as it sucks, you shouldn't have been pulling without asking, especially since the group said to wait. You also knew that you were with a pre-made, so you really should have been asking, or just let the other tank pull.

    Asking in alliance chat if everyone is ready is an easy thing to do, and honestly every group should be doing that before a pull.

    As for the guy saying that this was abuse of VTK...they can report the OP for harassment, since pulling before people are ready can be considered it...if the group you're with wasn't ready and you pull even though they said not to...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    Honestly, as much as it sucks, you shouldn't have been pulling without asking, especially since the group said to wait. You also knew that you were with a pre-made, so you really should have been asking, or just let the other tank pull.

    Asking in alliance chat if everyone is ready is an easy thing to do, and honestly every group should be doing that before a pull.

    As for the guy saying that this was abuse of VTK...they can report the OP for harassment, since pulling before people are ready can be considered it...if the group you're with wasn't ready and you pull even though they said not to...
    Absolutely not, if they are within the 'zone' that seals off, then they are ready for an encounter. If you had to have every member of a group verbally confirm before every pull, or be at risk of "harassment/cheating" as a tank, you would get precisely 0 tanks ever in your DF.
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