Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Molly_Millions]

The presumption is hilarious.

I find it interesting anytime someone says something negative it is based on jealousy or an inability to do "something". Seems to be the calling card of so many people unable to argue merits rather then relying on emotion.

What other reason could there be? I'm asking in earnest, because how does my leve failing have anything to do with anyone that's not in my party?

[Vackashken]

What other reason could there be? I'm asking in earnest, because how does my leve failing have anything to do with anyone that's not in my party?

Are you asking me as a fellow poster in general or as a fellow Fabulian?

[Molly_Millions]

Are you asking me as a fellow poster in general or as a fellow Fabulian?

Well, both I suppose.

[Vackashken]

Well, both I suppose.

Fair enough, I'll speak with utmost veracity then.

As I stated to you before under more heated circumstances I "nothing you". Yes, it was meant to be cutting in part but it was also the truth summed up into a tight package. The truth is in the sense of I don't care what you or any other LS does on Fabul or any server. I don't say that in the sense of spite but rather I am a person who is very much a live and let live kind of guy as long as it doesn't effect me. I don't want to mess with people - it makes our server look petty and bad. So what you do with your LS doesn't bother me all that much. Why would it? We don't ever interact as far as I am aware. This is why, last time you and I argued I asked you, I asked you to show me where I had ever said a negative thing about you or Abbadon publicly. I hadn't because, as aforementioned, I don't care all that much.

In essence I can kind of speak for others (others being several other LSes on Fabul) that Abaddon isn't liked not because of anything other then you are seen as an arrogant (fill in what word you like). Not because of this bizarre blip in the system. Again, I am not taking a shot at you - I am in earnest telling you why. It has nothing or very little to do with the leve run failing system. Frankly, anyone can do it and many people had been doing it since IC stumbled upon it (which is who I was referencing last time). Theres nothing exclusive there in a good or bad way.

Generally speaking I don't like it because its very simple to me. It's rewarding failure and it shouldn't be there. People are going to do whats the fastest and most efficient. You can't blame a person for that. Hell, I have even started to try it after getting 3 battle jobs to 50 "the old fashion" way. Yet still, I want it gone. I simply do not like the idea of rewarding failure. Its a simplistic view for me (and a simplistic argument) and wish it gone. The game is too easy and getting to 50 is absurdly easy like this. I want challenge and a feel of accomplishment and unless they start changing things from how cozy it is now to something worth a damn the game will never truly pick up.

Thats my opinion in short.

[syntaxlies]

I'm gonna keep my response a little shorter then yours so sorry if i leave out any juicy details. Failing the leves does not reward failure. It does the exact opposite. The reward is what you get at the end when you finish the leve gil, gear,items, faction credits. These are all thing that you do not get when you fail the leve. For every mob defeated we get sp(whether in a leve or not) so how are you considering the sp a reward. Its not like were running past the mobs and the sp lands on us as we run...

Fair enough, I'll speak with utmost veracity then.

As I stated to you before under more heated circumstances I "nothing you". Yes, it was meant to be cutting in part but it was also the truth summed up into a tight package. The truth is in the sense of I don't care what you or any other LS does on Fabul or any server. I don't say that in the sense of spite but rather I am a person who is very much a live and let live kind of guy as long as it doesn't effect me. I don't want to mess with people - it makes our server look petty and bad. So what you do with your LS doesn't bother me all that much. Why would it? We don't ever interact as far as I am aware. This is why, last time you and I argued I asked you, I asked you to show me where I had ever said a negative thing about you or Abbadon publicly. I hadn't because, as aforementioned, I don't care all that much.

In essence I can kind of speak for others (others being several other LSes on Fabul) that Abaddon isn't liked not because of anything other then you are seen as an arrogant (fill in what word you like). Not because of this bizarre blip in the system. Again, I am not taking a shot at you - I am in earnest telling you why. It has nothing or very little to do with the leve run failing system. Frankly, anyone can do it and many people had been doing it since IC stumbled upon it (which is who I was referencing last time). Theres nothing exclusive there in a good or bad way.

Generally speaking I don't like it because its very simple to me. It's rewarding failure and it shouldn't be there. People are going to do whats the fastest and most efficient. You can't blame a person for that. Hell, I have even started to try it after getting 3 battle jobs to 50 "the old fashion" way. Yet still, I want it gone. I simply do not like the idea of rewarding failure. Its a simplistic view for me (and a simplistic argument) and wish it gone. The game is too easy and getting to 50 is absurdly easy like this. I want challenge and a feel of accomplishment and unless they start changing things from how cozy it is now to something worth a damn the game will never truly pick up.

Thats my opinion in short.

[Vackashken]

im gonna keep my response a little shorter then yours so sorry if i leave out any juicy details. Failing the leves does not reward failure.

It does. No amount of semantics or technicalities changes that. The reward is you get the same best SP giving leves in a row guaranteed. The gil is meaningless because you don't fail every single leve. You make plenty off the others. The faction points are equally as meaningless since you can simply buy the items if you even want to bother to with how crappy they are.

Semantics doesn't change it one bit.

[syntaxlies]

It does. No amount of semantics or technicalities changes that. The reward is you get the same best SP giving leves in a row guaranteed. The gil is meaningless because you don't fail every single leve. You make plenty off the others. The faction points are equally as meaningless since you can simply buy the items if you even want to bother to with how crappy they are.

Semantics doesn't change it one bit.

First off i didn't design the game nor the reward system, i dot however play whiten the guidelines. It is not my fault the rewards suck, but Ive never heard of the sp you get from killing mobs as a reward. In your definition of reward grinding would also be frowned upon. Killing the same enemy over and over because of the good sp. Im sure you ranked to 50 killing nothing but marmot's but the the rest of us we play the game the way it was designed and if they take the leves away or change the others i will continue to analyze the game and figure out the best way to get sp. The devs have even said that they don't consider it to break any rules of exploitation so I dont see how you think you have an argument.

[darkstarpoet1]

It does. No amount of semantics or technicalities changes that. The reward is you get the same best SP giving leves in a row guaranteed. The gil is meaningless because you don't fail every single leve. You make plenty off the others. The faction points are equally as meaningless since you can simply buy the items if you even want to bother to with how crappy they are.

Semantics doesn't change it one bit.

ok let me ask something. this is not meant to be a flame or an argument.

player a runes dunes and fails. he gets the sp from every mob he kills, but leaves the last mob so he misses that sp. he abandons the leve and the leve ends. by linking the payer loses a percentage of sp per kill. the overall goes up, but with 4 people they lose over 1 full mob worth of sp over doing it 4 times.

player b runes the leve and completes. he gets the sp from every mob he kills. he kills all mobs and completes the leve. after completing he gets gil, guild rewards, items, and faction credits.

if both player a and player b runs the same leve and both kill the same mobs then the rewards for finishing the leve are the stuff you get at the end. they both got the sp off of each mob they killed. how is one any different than the other as far as sp goes? it's determined that the overall sp does drop by linking over running it 4 times. they were already punished by giving up 120%-160% of the sp for one kill by max links and the rewards that are given at the end.

[Molly_Millions]

Fair enough, I'll speak with utmost veracity then.

As I stated to you before under more heated circumstances I "nothing you". Yes, it was meant to be cutting in part but it was also the truth summed up into a tight package. The truth is in the sense of I don't care what you or any other LS does on Fabul or any server. I don't say that in the sense of spite but rather I am a person who is very much a live and let live kind of guy as long as it doesn't effect me. I don't want to mess with people - it makes our server look petty and bad. So what you do with your LS doesn't bother me all that much. Why would it? We don't ever interact as far as I am aware. This is why, last time you and I argued I asked you, I asked you to show me where I had ever said a negative thing about you or Abbadon publicly. I hadn't because, as aforementioned, I don't care all that much.

In essence I can kind of speak for others (others being several other LSes on Fabul) that Abaddon isn't liked not because of anything other then you are seen as an arrogant (fill in what word you like). Not because of this bizarre blip in the system. Again, I am not taking a shot at you - I am in earnest telling you why. It has nothing or very little to do with the leve run failing system. Frankly, anyone can do it and many people had been doing it since IC stumbled upon it (which is who I was referencing last time). Theres nothing exclusive there in a good or bad way.

Generally speaking I don't like it because its very simple to me. It's rewarding failure and it shouldn't be there. People are going to do whats the fastest and most efficient. You can't blame a person for that. Hell, I have even started to try it after getting 3 battle jobs to 50 "the old fashion" way. Yet still, I want it gone. I simply do not like the idea of rewarding failure. Its a simplistic view for me (and a simplistic argument) and wish it gone. The game is too easy and getting to 50 is absurdly easy like this. I want challenge and a feel of accomplishment and unless they start changing things from how cozy it is now to something worth a damn the game will never truly pick up.

Thats my opinion in short.

I wish we could send PMs here, but since we can't here goes. (Sorry to everyone else for derailing this thread)

Fair enough, in that case I apologize for calling you a douche in said conversation. As I tried to say in that convo, maybe those people see me as arrogant, but the truth is I' a down to earth guy and am extremely laid back, as anyone in Abaddon can attest to. I am however, a cynic. Don't confuse my cynicism as arrogance, it's only an attempt to get a laugh.

[TheVedis]

What other reason could there be? I'm asking in earnest, because how does my leve failing have anything to do with anyone that's not in my party?

and it is the reason too

why else would people be arguing about exclusion(alot of them are)

the other half of it argues the morality of it