Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Starlord]

As I said before no one wants SE to turn off "Easy mode" people apparently loves to fail leves.

[darkstarpoet1]

You're exaggerating and assuming that a full party grabbing whatever leves are available from the counter will have no links - which will never happen. In fact when I do them with linkshell members we frequently have 2-3 links on a leve and that's not even with 8 people. People are failing leves mainly so that they can keep the ones with the highest SP gain. The ability to link them and save time is merely a bonus. If they want to change things so people can pick the ones they want to save time, that's fine - but rewarding failure over success for any reason is backwards and broken.

i'm not exaggerating at all. i know many including myself would only go through all 3 cities and get the leves i want. those leves would be the ones with the biggest rewards. do you think it would be different? see how many people do this already on locals why would regionals have a different result? if dunes gives a crap reward and a party member has dunes so what toads may have the best reward for me. i'm not going to go all the way to broken water to help you do your one leve for 1k gil and maybe a few k sp. i am going to do my leve and 1 star it to get my rewards as fast as i can. once i get my 8 leves done on 1 star i will then get together a grind group.

[Altano]

As I said before no one wants SE to turn off "Easy mode" people apparently loves to fail leves.

It's not about "Easy Mode." People are always going to find the most efficient way to level up. Period. Be it leves or a specific mob type. Leveling up is something that has to be done. It can be enjoyable, but really the fun in it is pretty much dependent upon what a person actually likes doing. There is a reason it's called grinding.

If they take away the re-attempted failed leves facet of the game, eventually people will find something else that, with a given class/job combination, can be grinded through at a ridiculous pace and soon you'll be all whining about how unbalanced all the classes/jobs and mobs are. Eventually every single mob at a given level will have the exact same HP, MP, tp gain rate, dps, and every class will do the exact same thing, that way it is all fair. Pardon my slippery slope, but seriously: if a system is broken simply because it allows people to rank up faster than you want them to and/or you are willing to for yourself, then your way of thinking is not in tune with the game's needs, not the other way around.

In short, just because you're all pissed off that other people are able to rank up faster than you are because they're willing to take advantage of a legitimate system within the game and you're not due to some ethereal ethical grounds about the rules of a "fair" game and what makes a system "broken" or not does not mean that the developers need to "fix" the game by tailoring it to your personal playstyle. The game not fitting your personal understanding of what is "fair" does not a broken system make. If you don't like failing leves, don't do it. If you don't like doing 1 GLA, 4 ARC, 1 THM parties on raptors, don't do them. If you want "Hard Mode" (and by that, I presume you mean making a time sink just a bigger time sink) go solo your leves and complete them all. It's really as simple as that.

[Raikki]

It really doesn't matter whether you approve or disapprove of people "gaming" the current system to their advantage. Anyone on either side should realize this is a sign of a fundamentally broken system that needs to be fixed. If that fix gives people a way to play the game "as intended" while earning SP at a rate that's acceptable even to the people who currently use leve abandons, why would anyone complain? All people really want is to be able to advance at a respectable rate without having to resort to using tricks they feel are cheap, especially when the tricks make a complete joke out of the rank up process (which we both agree is flawed and needs to be fixed anyway, which is the entire point).

[weeble]

i'd be happy if they got ride of leves all together let alone fix the abondoning problem. i want real grinding back and though by the time this gets implemented i'll have all dow, and dom at rank 50...at least i'll know when new classes come out and they add 51+ rank to game i wont have to spam same leves.

i'm picturing leves after this fix only being a small treat of sp once u finally get all the good leves every month or so, unless they planning to also add option to pick up any and all leves as well rather then random, but then the problem isn't fixed, it's the same thing exept they made it even easier to do and give us the extra rewards to boot. hopefully this does not happen. i want my ffxi all day grinds over leves any day.

[Altano]

i want my ffxi all day grinds over leves any day.

I think you're playing the wrong game. Here you go.

[Verecund]

Zomg I can't wait to spend all day leveling because it's so "hard"!


/epicsigh

[Petori]

I rather have them remove mob leashing than this.

[SAMINUS]

I wonder if people do the same with crafting leves? Fail the leve after getting some SP, then try and redo the leve? I haven't done many crafting leves so I am not sure.

[Cairdeas]

I'm with the OP On this one though.

Any system that presents segregation in the game should be fixed. Right now there is a huge segregation of players who fail leves, and those who refuse too.

I think the easiest fix for this would be to give bonus SP for the actual completetion of the leve based on (level - range under or over optimal level x (2 x Difficulty) + time left (Seconds) + some other funky math)

So a rank 40 leve being done by rank 40 at 5 stars with 15 minutes left nets a bonus of 13000 ish SP