Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Molly_Millions]

Do you find Failing leves enjoyable?

and

When you hit R50 do you feel accomplished when you reach that rank?

Let me answer these because as anyone on Fabul will agree, my LS does this more than any other.

What I find enjoyable is gaining ranks as efficiently as possible with friends. If that's by completing leves, failing them, or just grinding doesn't matter to me at all. If they balance leves by either making them impossible to fail and keep, or they change the bonus structure then we'll find another way.

Do I feel accomplished when I get another class to 50? Yes, that's a mind numbing number of times to repeat the same leve. So yes I do feel a sense of accomplishment when I move on to the next class.

[AngryNixon]

...What I find enjoyable is gaining ranks as efficiently as possible with friends...

You guys are efficiency nerds too I see.

...When you hit R50 do you feel accomplished when you reach that rank?

I don't feel accomplished when I hit cap in any MMO. Getting from 1 to cap is solely a function of time. Some games it's more, some games it's less. I feel satisfied that it's over with, but "accomplished" is definitely not the word I'd use.

Using Molly Millions' logic though I suppose I could say there is a minor sense of accomplishment in how efficiently I get from 1 to cap.

[Altano]

I don't feel accomplished when I hit cap in any MMO. Getting from 1 to cap is solely a function of time. Some games it's more, some games it's less. I feel satisfied that it's over with, but "accomplished" is definitely not the word I'd use.

Using Molly Millions' logic though I suppose I could say there is a minor sense of accomplishment in how efficiently I get from 1 to cap.

That might be a better way to phrase it, I agree.

[Rentahamster]

Using Molly Millions' logic though I suppose I could say there is a minor sense of accomplishment in how efficiently I get from 1 to cap.

There is.

Being efficient means you understand the game system well enough to utilize it to its greatest potential. And the ability to do so strongly correlates with player skill.

[Molly_Millions]

There is.

Being efficient means you understand the game system well enough to utilize it to its greatest potential. And the ability to do so strongly correlates with player skill.

This is very true, people on Fabul complain about my LS cranking noobs to 50. In fact, I'm rather proud of how efficiently we've been able to do it.

[AngryNixon]

There is.

Being efficient means you understand the game system well enough to utilize it to its greatest potential. And the ability to do so strongly correlates with player skill.

Ya, I'd buy that for a dollar. Makes good sense.

The 'uncommon sense' wisdom Rentahamster though is that wanting to get to cap as efficiently as possible is "lazy", or that you're somehow trying to screw the system by wanting that. It sure the hell isn't my belief but just thought I'd throw that out there as a reminder of a more screwed up not all that uncommon assumption.

[Molly_Millions]

Ya, I'd buy that for a dollar. Makes good sense.

The 'uncommon sense' wisdom Rentahamster though is that wanting to get to cap as efficiently as possible is "lazy", or that you're somehow trying to screw the system by wanting that. It sure the hell isn't my belief but just thought I'd throw that out there as a reminder of a more screwed up not all that uncommon assumption.

It's absolutely not lazy at all, in order to get the most out of failing leves, you have to show up on time every time 2 out of every 3 days. It takes a fairly coordinated effort to keep that up for 50 ranks.

[AngryNixon]

It's absolutely not lazy at all, in order to get the most out of failing leves, you have to show up on time every time 2 out of every 3 days. It takes a fairly coordinated effort to keep that up for 50 ranks.

(truth of forests). The bitter side of the coin says that failing leves intentionally (even though it's the most efficient way of doing things) is somehow akin to cheating the system.

Also, if starlord is going to RP an altruist hero finishing leves for great justice. I'm going to RP a self interested dick just trying to cap his character out in the most efficient way possible, sucks to Gridania's needs, what have they done for me lately.

P.S. Don't feel the need to rebut that. I'm just saying the sentiment is there. I don't believe a word of it. If throwing a brick against a wall was the fastest way to R50 I'd be all over it.

[Altano]

If throwing a brick against a wall was the fastest way to R50 I'd be all over it.

Actually, from R33 onward, it pretty much is the fastest way.

[Molly_Millions]

(truth of forests). The bitter side of the coin says that failing leves intentionally (even though it's the most efficient way of doing things) is somehow akin to cheating the system.

If I'm in a bar fight, is it cheating to use anything not nailed down as a weapon? or is it a winning strategy?