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  1. #11
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    Biuma Arvinda
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nahara View Post
    You want challenge, but you also don't see a point in trying to progress through the Binding Coil...

    Honestly, if you don't have Twintania and maybe the Extreme Primals on farm, you really don't have a whole lot of room to say that there's nothing challenging in the game, because only a very small portion of the community is capable of that.
    Actually, as someone who's much farther than the original poster, a few things can honestly be said about this game's "difficulty":

    1. All it does is escalate required gear/food/potions. Ability rotations and cross-class abilities are cookie cutter for every class. Dodge AoEs and some positiong. Rinse repeat.
    2. The amount of tedious whittling down a boss versus the amount of times anybody in the party is allowed to screw up. Fast forward to t4 or t5 or EM Primals and all you have are fights that take longer and make you repeat more if one person is new to the fight and screws up, you wipe and repeat the last 10 minutes.

    If you want to tell me that that is supposed to be "hard" then I'm not sure you've played games that are actually hard. IMHO the only difficulty in this game is how time-consuming everything is.

    A good example for me is how hard I used to think Titan HM was versus how I can do that fight in my sleep with any role now. It's only a matter of (short) time till I have that same kind of experience with EM Primals or higher Coil turns. The only reason it didn't come so fast is artificial rarity; EM Primals not having enough people yet practiced or geared enough for it yet, and Coil with its lockout system having fostered a similar situation.
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    Mayin Avantari
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    OP says there is no challenge but hasnt beaten any coil or extreme primals. Get real.
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    Ketsu Wotaberu
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moirear View Post
    Actually, as someone who's much farther than the original poster, a few things can honestly be said about this game's "difficulty":

    1. All it does is escalate required gear/food/potions. Ability rotations and cross-class abilities are cookie cutter for every class. Dodge AoEs and some positiong. Rinse repeat.
    And people still mess up rotations, can't dodge AOEs or position right, etc. That's why they're nerfing old content.
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  4. #14
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    @Nahara

    Just because not everyone does it or clears it means it is hard. Far from it. T1-4 are easy and it all comes down to time consumption. The primals are no different. They all have set rotations that they always follow. There is not a single bit of RNG to be found. The only difference between EM and HM is that they now do a few more abilities per wave, they still have set rotations, they still have the same HP and strength, and they have some adds. That is not hard, just tedious because it gives less space for people to screw up there AoE dodging skills.

    T5 in coil won't be easily pugged for a while yet, why? Gear. That is all to it. Hell it is only time consuming to learn it. I for example took on Coil T5 with my fc today and yes i made a few mistakes but after 2-3 tries I had phase 1 and 2 down to the point I didn't screw up anymore.

    Also let us be honest. THe only real reasons people fail on dodging AoE for example is due to Square-enix not having the servers in there native regions. Nor that the servers updated positioning on a good rate. They still don't to a certain degree
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    Last edited by Syrellaris; 01-27-2014 at 11:38 AM.

  5. #15
    Player Vardahtoh's Avatar
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    Vardahoth Shade
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nahara View Post
    You want challenge, but you also don't see a point in trying to progress through the Binding Coil...

    Honestly, if you don't have Twintania and maybe the Extreme Primals on farm, you really don't have a whole lot of room to say that there's nothing challenging in the game, because only a very small portion of the community is capable of that.
    I want to get a few pieces of better gear before doing coil so I am not a burden on puggers like puggers were to me coming in Titan hard with only quest/market gear.

    Quote Originally Posted by casker View Post
    Please enlighten me. GW2 doesn't even have raids, and virtually zero, countem, zero remarkable encounters. And all I did in their dungeons was dodge button out of the circles and use my ranged attack (as a thief) because melee was punished 100x HARDER than in this game. Bosses where you literally stand in one spot and shoot arrows for 10 minutes. Riveting gameplay, Arenanet.

    Perhaps you mean the WvW, which is ultimately pointless and where victory is determined by who had the most people to stay up later than the other team to leave bases ticking while everyone else is asleep. Which, not to mention, got totally screwed over by bandwagoning and server transfers.
    If you read the entire content, you will see those words were not mine, but copied and pasted as someone who is going through the same boredom as me. I am agreeing with his lack of wanting/finding reason to log in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yarikh View Post
    If you're already bored at that initial stage.. then you probably won't last trying to gather myth for your AF2 either.

    Just started endgame. Doesn't want to work to get better equipment to join parties for more content. Complains they are bored of endgame already.

    -_-
    This is my main complaint. I DO want to work for more content, but the mommy system says I have to wait 6 days before I can do it again.
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    Last edited by Vardahtoh; 01-27-2014 at 11:44 AM.

  6. #16
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    bye bye taisai
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  7. #17
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    Daeada Fehr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Syrellaris View Post
    All video games are easy and all they come down to is time consumption.
    Fixed that for you.

    If you want something hard, go learn a new skill/do something worthwhile IRL. Games are for entertainment, and a majority of people don't find banging their heads against walls entertaining, thus games are easy. I'm sorry if you are in the minority, but that's how the cookie crumbles.
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  8. #18
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    Rekuja Azalon
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    You refuse to do the current end-game raid yet have the nerve to say there's nothing to do...

    OP, wot?

    You are the type of player that bounces from MMO to MMO finding ridiculous reasons to dislike it.... maybe MMO's aren't for you?

    "The game offers little to no challenge"

    It took 3 months after launch for 1 FC to finally kill Twintania and people still find the fight insanely difficult... no challenge? look how many people failed and failed at the Hard mode primals, specifically Titan. Look how many people are failing and can barely scratch the surface when it comes to Extremes. Look at all the scrubs failing to understand the mechanics in Pharos....

    If anything, this game has made your typical MMO player even BETTER at boss mechanics, not because they are easy but because players learned to adapt without mods telling them what to do (DBM) players are actually learning rotations and boss mechanics, studying them every time to overcome the challenge and not relying on some silly message telling them what to do.

    FFXIV ARR is a great MMORPG, the only problem here is that you don't have a sense of enjoyment from it, or, you don't know how to enjoy something when it's given to you.

    also, gw2 has plenty of end game? what.... yeah I'm gonna lean towards you are the clueless type.
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  9. #19
    Player Vardahtoh's Avatar
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    I laugh at these so-called "Hardcore" games and dungeons, because I'm from this genre:

    186 raid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9dF1TK-xuw
    organized pvp - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hh6I0SmA9jE
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    Last edited by Vardahtoh; 01-27-2014 at 11:48 AM.

  10. #20
    Player Vardahtoh's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rekujen View Post
    You refuse to do the current end-game raid yet have the nerve to say there's nothing to do...
    Until you read what I have said, I won't read past your first sentence. I'm stuck with the mommy cap until the myth points resets so I can get better gear to do end game content. This means If I log in right now, I have nothing to progress with. Tomorrow I can log in because I can farm 450 myth. Then Tuesday, Wed, Thu, Fri, Sat, Sun I am back to being stuck with nothing to do when I log in.
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    Last edited by Vardahtoh; 01-27-2014 at 12:32 PM.

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