Thread: Patch 2.2, Accessibility, Difficulty Levels, and Throwing Away Content

Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

Please tell the development team that there is still a demand out there to fight Twintania under its original conditions (Maximum item level of 91 without an echo buff).

He just said the Echo buff is optional. Coordinate with your team to be geared 91 and under.

I am pleased that Coil is not getting nerfed and the buff can be taken off. That at least gives more options to people who started late and want to try it the hard way.
Gearing will probably still make things easier (unless they did an ilvl sync, which is probably a bad idea) but when you nerf a place, it's a pretty permanent change.

At least you always have the option to do it the old way.

I really don't see the problem with an achievement or title for doing it the harder way.
I have an achievement for killing 10k+ mobs. How is that any less trivial?
The whole game is made with a hierarchy of difficulty, item level and rewards.

Adding minor rewards to adding challenge to an encounter just gives people more to do if they feel like it. It doesn't need to be as serious as a whole gearset recoloured though.
But some acknowledgement is good, challenge and reward is the basis of most themepark games.


You might as well not have progressive content if you're afraid some people will get upset they can't get something. A minor reward for doing something minor, i.e. doing content before it was easy or doing old content under certain conditions.
A mount or recolouring is too much. A title would probably be best cause it doesn't take much. (Hell, it doesn't even show....)

Originally Posted by MasamuneBranford

Please tell the development team that there is still a demand out there to fight Twintania under its original conditions (Maximum item level of 91 without an echo buff). You could please a lot of players by implementing these "Time Capsule" achievements. One such achievement could be "Complete the binding coil of Bahamaut Turns 1 through 5 with a maximum item level of 91 and without the use of an echo buff).

Would be still possible.
Do an own party (without DF) with everyone in gear not higher than 80 and all members remove the buff with right-clicking.

The thing with the achievement could be a good idea. "Clear coil 1-4 with all party members removed the echo buff"
Something like this was also in 1.0, like "Do hamlet defences with only DoH and DoL"

Oh thank gods!

Though I really really hope this means Turn 5 will not be nerfed. Or T1-T4.

P.S. The Echo Buff reminds me too much of the Golden/White Tanooki Suit. I feel that every time I even think about using it in Super Mario 3D Land/World, I'm just admitting that I suck at the particular level/the whole game.

Originally Posted by Zumi

Personally I like vertical progression it gives me something to work for. Horizontal progression and side grades or gear thats weaker then current tier like Crystal Tower was kind of useless for me because my Paladin had all 90 gear when it came out meaning I had nothing to gain from doing it.

Let Yoshi know there are us players who like vertical progression and enjoy working toward getting newer stronger gear.

This. Not to mention that horizontal progression doesn't really work in a game like this unless you're willing to add gear with similar stats of the same ilvl but different textures (which, given Glamours wouldn't be a bad idea but I know some dummy-heads out there are under the delusion of getting gear with +healing potency and +refresh and +haste, which belong in poorly-balanced games like FFXI).

Originally Posted by Deviant1

Am I the only one who reads this thread as:
"WAHHH!!! The casuals are going to farm twintania, while I fight the turn 9 boss.. Wahhhh! They will have all the gear I was using before my 110 stuff <sob> There will be no way to tell the casual from my 5th job with i95wep/i90 gear!!!

Seriously children, time to grow up. No item or fight should ever be considered hardcore exclusive.

Hardcore get the first wins on world/server, the casuals get it later, this is the natural order of things.

Amazing, but not surprised to see after all the 'remove the weekly lock out' threads, that it didn't dawn to someone that without the lockouts, all the casuals could actually catch up... lmao, and then to act like SE is doing something wrong so that all the paying customers of the product can enjoy what they are paying for is arrogance given form...

Anyways I look forward to finish the gearing up of my 5th job while someone else finishes their 1st/2nd. I just hope I have better lots

Quoted for super-ultra-omega truth.