Changing the Attribute Point / Physical Level System - Something more FLEXIBLE :)

[Lairin]

Ranks and Physical levels, I am fine with it.
But the stat system, I hate it!
Resetting the stats takes to long, and even if it was faster I am still not a fan of placing my stats around.
Change job, stats auto change. Hmm I need more dex. Guess I will go buy XXXX ring for more dex.
Make gear matter.

[YUGON]

Ranks and Physical levels, I am fine with it.
But the stat system, I hate it!
Resetting the stats takes to long, and even if it was faster I am still not a fan of placing my stats around.
Change job, stats auto change. Hmm I need more dex. Guess I will go buy XXXX ring for more dex.
Make gear matter.

I totally agree with Lairin. I don't like the "make your own build" system.
If I change my job from Gladiator to Conjurer, my stats will change with the job. That way, If I need more STR, or MND, or whatever, I will go and buy me a good equipment. That will make a difference, not only in my stats (when buying a good equipment), It will make a difference the way people will see the Stats and the Equip.

Right now, a ring or an earring with INT +5, can cost 50k, or 100k. Why I'm going to pay that? The only difference I'll see it will be on my pocket.

I understand that may be poeple who likes doing his/her own build on the character, and If SE wants to give us the chance to make our own build, the need to stabilize the points.

Like Kiara said, what can we expect on putting 4, 8 or 10 points in STR, If we already have 130 or 140 points in that Stat?
I prefer the stats changes with the class, and If SE wants to give us some points in each level... I'm with it, but these points may only be like a "bonus" to add wherever we want.

[MysteryG]

Great post! Those are some really good observations, and I totally agree myself.

My favorite thing about XI was the ability to change class on the fly. I feel like this has been thrown out the window in XIV, I really like playing Conjurer, but I find it incredibly frustrating to find myself waiting days to switch my points into a setup more viable for a Botanist! And then trying to switch back, I find myself missing out on 40-50 useless points still left in Str.

I would love to see an individual set of stats for each class I change to. Physical level doesn't even need to be removed! I think combining that with hard gear stats / level requirements and you're already on your way to a much better system.

[Shoopdadoopdoop]

Physical level needs to go, in my humble opinion. My FF experience has always been something like this: "If I can grind enough gil/experience, then I'll have enough to get my (insert heavy hitter here, zidane, auron, squall, cloud)'s strength from 157 to 200, I'll be able to tackle this boss with relative ease!

In FFXIV, if I fail a leve due to a small lalafell sized HP pool or a lack of combat efficiency due to accuracy or attack or whatever the cause may be, the only way to fix the problem is to try something easier. Reassigning my available points to combat my low HP pool forces me to make myself weaker in other areas for the rest of my time under this stat allocation. Reassigning my stats to a balanced set up grants no notable bonuses either.

Now, you might ask, what are you trying to say? Why does it matter to the developers that you can't get your weak character through the levequest?

The answer is simple. Stat parameters are what has always made your progress noteworthy in a FF game. In almost every FF, the attack or hit rating on your weapon makes you hit normal mobs for hundreds more. The numbers rose exponentially as you grew from a lowbie to the end result (FFVIII being an exception to this by scaling all enemies to Squall's level,). What we need to is align stats in a coherent, fitting manner for each class. Do away with physical experience and freely allocatable stat points. You're a level 1 gladiator? Okay, you get 15str, 18vit, and 15 dex. I DONT CARE that you already have a marauder at 50. That shouldn't DIRECTLY effect your performance on another class directly, as its not the same class. Make 255 the stat cap, like its always been. Allocate stat points automatically so that 50s have up to 65-80 naturally in their highest stat. And then, rescale stats' effectiveness in combat so that one level matters! 64 to 67 strength should be a BIG upgrade. Think about it. 3 is 5% of 60. If you raise your strength by 5%, your hits need to be 5% more effective. There has to be SOME kind of coherence to stats. Make that HQ worth your money. Make it worth it to fill your equip slots with a particular stat. At this point, there is absolutely no reason for me not to put every single point into VIT strictly for HP on my melees, and every single point into MND for more MP on my casters. Because if i decide to be adventerous and stack PIE and INT, I already know I'm never going to see a difference. If my INT goes from 40 to 80, my Thunder II will go from 350-360 to 356-365. It just doesn't make any sense.



In conclusion ( I know its poorly typed with no breaks so start here if you don't like proofreading)

- No more physical EXP, make your class level the sole source of measurement of basic stat parameters.
- Scale stats down slightly, making a solid 255 cap for all stats. As level cap and gear is introduced, stats can grow with them. Maybe after 5 years of expansion, and 5 cap raises all the way to 100, 255 will be reachable with some gear. Maybe not. But FF games, in my experience, cap stats at 255.
- Give gear level requirements and class specialization. A level 10 conjurer shouldn't be getting 30MP from his Vintage Robe. He should be getting an error message when he tries to put it on. It just doesn't make any sense.
- Add incentive to progress by leveling the playing field and automatically allocating stat points just like in... every other FF game?
- Add incentive to progress by introducing multiple AF-like sets for each class, creating quest chains both solo and group oriented that reward specialized gear that makes a difference.
- Improve class individuality by scaling down affinity or limiting a character to abilities within his discipline. (DoW can only use GLA MRD ARC PUG and LNC abilities, DoM can only use CON and THM, etc etc., I shouldn't be able to cure myself for 400HP 30 times in a fight on my level 1 archer, I'm sorry. but it just doesn't make any sense.)

[darkstarpoet1]

Physical level needs to go, in my humble opinion. My FF experience has always been something like this: "If I can grind enough gil/experience, then I'll have enough to get my (insert heavy hitter here, zidane, auron, squall, cloud)'s strength from 157 to 200, I'll be able to tackle this boss with relative ease!

In FFXIV, if I fail a leve due to a small lalafell sized HP pool or a lack of combat efficiency due to accuracy or attack or whatever the cause may be, the only way to fix the problem is to try something easier. Reassigning my available points to combat my low HP pool forces me to make myself weaker in other areas for the rest of my time under this stat allocation. Reassigning my stats to a balanced set up grants no notable bonuses either.

Now, you might ask, what are you trying to say? Why does it matter to the developers that you can't get your weak character through the levequest?

The answer is simple. Stat parameters are what has always made your progress noteworthy in a FF game. In almost every FF, the attack or hit rating on your weapon makes you hit normal mobs for hundreds more. The numbers rose exponentially as you grew from a lowbie to the end result (FFVIII being an exception to this by scaling all enemies to Squall's level,). What we need to is align stats in a coherent, fitting manner for each class. Do away with physical experience and freely allocatable stat points. You're a level 1 gladiator? Okay, you get 15str, 18vit, and 15 dex. I DONT CARE that you already have a marauder at 50. That shouldn't DIRECTLY effect your performance on another class directly, as its not the same class. Make 255 the stat cap, like its always been. Allocate stat points automatically so that 50s have up to 65-80 naturally in their highest stat. And then, rescale stats' effectiveness in combat so that one level matters! 64 to 67 strength should be a BIG upgrade. Think about it. 3 is 5% of 60. If you raise your strength by 5%, your hits need to be 5% more effective. There has to be SOME kind of coherence to stats. Make that HQ worth your money. Make it worth it to fill your equip slots with a particular stat. At this point, there is absolutely no reason for me not to put every single point into VIT strictly for HP on my melees, and every single point into MND for more MP on my casters. Because if i decide to be adventerous and stack PIE and INT, I already know I'm never going to see a difference. If my INT goes from 40 to 80, my Thunder II will go from 350-360 to 356-365. It just doesn't make any sense.



In conclusion ( I know its poorly typed with no breaks so start here if you don't like proofreading)

- No more physical EXP, make your class level the sole source of measurement of basic stat parameters.
- Scale stats down slightly, making a solid 255 cap for all stats. As level cap and gear is introduced, stats can grow with them. Maybe after 5 years of expansion, and 5 cap raises all the way to 100, 255 will be reachable with some gear. Maybe not. But FF games, in my experience, cap stats at 255.
- Give gear level requirements and class specialization. A level 10 conjurer shouldn't be getting 30MP from his Vintage Robe. He should be getting an error message when he tries to put it on. It just doesn't make any sense.
- Add incentive to progress by leveling the playing field and automatically allocating stat points just like in... every other FF game?
- Add incentive to progress by introducing multiple AF-like sets for each class, creating quest chains both solo and group oriented that reward specialized gear that makes a difference.
- Improve class individuality by scaling down affinity or limiting a character to abilities within his discipline. (DoW can only use GLA MRD ARC PUG and LNC abilities, DoM can only use CON and THM, etc etc., I shouldn't be able to cure myself for 400HP 30 times in a fight on my level 1 archer, I'm sorry. but it just doesn't make any sense.)

i completely disagree. it may be a different class, but it is still the same character. if you work out to be able to play football you build your body correct? if you go over and decide to do power lifting from there you do not start off as a complete new person because you already built your body up to a high level from your other class. all i am saying is the strength you gained from doing one class should have some bearing on what you are on the next level. i just feel as though we get too many points on each level up.

i made a suggestion earlier that on each level we get whether it's physical or class you get one point for each level. for example a lvl 50pug and lvl 50physical would have 100 total points they could allot on the pug class only. a 21con when you go to another class still as a 50phy you would only have 71 points you could use on your con. my thinking is that physical level should help you some when you go to another class, but that having the stats of a level 50 at a level 1 is way too much. this way like your +5 and +7 rings would also have usage bacause your gear would allow you to move up an additional % above the max of a stat, but we would have to take into account of the difference of the amount of overall points each point you allot would have a higher value. this would also make people take the time to make sure that the gear/accessories they equip make the maximum usage of the points it gives.

i just feel this is the fair way to correct the issue by allowing you to get some benefits off a physical level along with making each class have its own set of points to use on that individual class. it would also make items such as +5 dexterity rings actually have the value compared to the cost of those items.