Thread: Patch 2.2: Let's Copy the Worst Practice of MMOs From the Last 10 Years...

Originally Posted by Fendred

It's a lot more accurate of what they are than the word "hardcore." I think hardcore was a difficulty level in Armored Core (old playstation game), now that I think about it.

Can i ask how many MMOs you've played?

And hardcore in general means ALOT of time invested..I for one USED to be pretty hardcore till i got a GF over christmas break. Ok that and frankly got burned out on dungeon grinding sooo took it easy for a bit. But yeah it's more a measure of time investment then anything. Though some use it as a euphemism for elitists as well.

So is this thread basically the "IS THIS GAME STILL NOT XI?" thread? Basically just looking for a summary here.

Originally Posted by Esmian

So is this thread basically the "IS THIS GAME STILL NOT XI?" thread? Basically just looking for a summary here.

No its not, In fact I'm sure a lot of the people would be satisfied of having new item levels challenges and armors, which would have made content like Twintania already easier, just like how people farm Hard mode primals now. The problem is that the content is being tweaked by SE to be easier encounters. It feeds into the notion the FFXIV is not just based for casuals(DoW casuals at that) only, but that its designed to carry and handhold, that it prefer and reward people and FCs that sell carrys for players to buy or wait their way to victory.

Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

It's not a notion- it is the intended game design.

This is a casual game. Anyone who refuses to accept that or wants to continue pretending they are hardcore in a casual game is going to continually be disappointed or embarrassed.

They have repeatedly made comments about the design and release patterns to cater to casual players.Hardcore players in this game are like hardcore players in Hello Kitty- They are just people that spend a bunch of time playing an easy game.

I don't think all of the decisions can be thrown under the notion that this is a casual game, but I can understand those who look at how parties are conducted and don't see doing this over and over for each patch.

Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

If people are mad that it is trivializing their "accomplishments" ... it's because it's not an accomplishment. Gear in this game is throwaway gear. It's not meant to last for very long, so it's not terribly hard to get.It's mainly about RNG and lockouts. If you want accomplishment or to be a hard core gamer- play a hard core game.

Apparently the content is throwaway too. So what's really left of the game?

Originally Posted by Kallera

but I can understand those who look at how parties are conducted and don't see doing this over and over for each patch.

Not every patch, but pretty frequently... this was talked about in interviews with Yoshi-P when the game first launched (maybe even before)... it was the intended pattern from the start.

Apparently the content is throwaway too. So what's really left of the game?

Yes it is... throw away... then recycled (see primals). As far as what's left of the game... well that depends on if their development can keep up with this model... which I don't think it can. So the relevant content is going to be fairly small at any given time, and will be farmed by players until they are bored...at which point they will either leave... or just hang around until the next small content update.... cycle continues forever. (It's really not a good or sustainable model without really fast development).

Originally Posted by synaesthetic

The better question is, why do you deserve an award for keeping this game alive and running, effectively offsetting the development costs at a time where the media and pretty much 99% of the public had written it off as a total failure only to have it remade into something you didn't ask for in the first place?

FTFY.

/10char

Originally Posted by Fendred

... invalidating all your old content by continuously raising item levels (eventually raising the level cap with every expansion) and thereby removing any sense of previous accomplishment for what we have achieved. No one will be able to come in and see how tough Twintania was to beat in 2.0 or even 2.1... now they will know Twintania as a boss on par with 2.1 CT's final boss. So those high end allagan weapons that marked you as having beaten Twintania? That sense of accomplishment is part of why a lot of people play an MMO, and the devs are trampling that into the dirt when they do stuff like this. Didn't they learn from the mistake they made with raising the level cap in FFXI? What drew me to FFXIV: ARR were the small, but important differences it had from western MMOs, and the potential for it to take a different approach to the problems that had come before. Instead, they are going to repeat the worst mistake Blizzard made by continually raising item levels and the level cap. If this is the only time they are doing this, then fine, but I see no sign of them stopping.

Welcome to the world of MMOs!

imo, the player definition of an MMO requires a sandbox. this game certainly does not have a sand box, it has rails, is too structured, and is really a feeding bucket for cattle. As gamers, we really need to tell the industry that this is not an MMO.