Vanity System in PvP

[Obreck]

@Obereck

Try guessing my class when I have my weapon turned off. You will only know when I feel like hitting someone. Problem is wearing same gear doesn't allow for optimal stats. I can identify a iLvl 70 to a 90 before the gates even open at it's current state. Unlike other PvP game the chaos of "Fresh Meat" titled enemies will put more confusion unless you plan to mark all of them off the start.

You have to display your weapon to enter combat remember? And the only thing a you'd have to compromise to be deceptive without vanity is your chest piece. Helmets can be hidden with matching haircuts, leggings hidden under a bulky ruse chest piece, gloves/boots barely stand out. If that deception would give a player such a huge unfair advantage what's the loss of one piece of gear's stats in comparison?

[Pentara]

i want to pvp in a bikini

[TaneshimaPopura]

You can hide it until you hit a skill.

The advantage is people can't plan ahead, like say if you know the opponent comp is BLM SCH PLD DRG you pretty much can expect what is going to happen. The BLM is going to Sleep anyone capable of CC, PLD stuns the healer DRG drops burst on healer while SCH will throw in some Cleric Stance Ruin 2 and Energy Drain, so in order to counter that you will have no one stacking on each other, have the Melee DPS Fetter Wards and pressure the BLM as much as possible, Healer hide in LoS, if your team has PLD stun lock the opponent healer Hallowed Ground if you're expecting CC's to come your way, all the while your Range DPS finishes off the BLM. And when their DPS and tank starts to peel their healer when the BLM is down if your team has a WHM healer proceed to go for free cast Repose.

Information wars gives tactical advantage. You cannot deny that.

[Obreck]

You can hide it until you hit a skill.

Truth be told I don't really need a weapon to identify a player. Their body language, stance, positioning, tab target.... the list goes on.

Information wars gives tactical advantage. You cannot deny that.

Yet the information you'd get isn't worth enough to justify a full ban. And you're really able to set up an advanced strategy like that, yet would be rendered helpless if the enemies wear disguises which in reality would only buy them a second or two of deception? Quit kidding yourself.

And none of that addresses the fact that a PvP group can still dress deceptively without vanity, just at an insignificant loss of stats. Then again if the general PvP community in this game is so easily fooled maybe I need to roll a generic looking Lalafell.....

[TaneshimaPopura]

Sure if you want to plan on the fly go ahead. Thing is I don't want the other party to plan, when the gate lifts I'm rushing in to give them ZERO time to tab target least time for thought. YOU are kidding yourself to think that any PvP'er worth their salt wouldn't want to get an upper hand and put the opponent in a disadvantage.

Lalafells have a upper hand in the deception cause you need to close in to know what they are, they are unidentifiable before gate opens. Ever had the time where you went on something that has Aetherflow confident it was the SCH but was actually the SMN? Cause the other team say hey I'll manually move my EoS beside my SMN while you move your Garuda with me.

[x037x]

As someone who has played MMOs that allow vanity costumes in PvP I assure you nothing would change. No one uses costumes to mislead others

Running out the gate it is everyone's job, especially the healers to take a quick look, take a mental snapshot of what you see coming out the gate.. what classes, how geared they are etc, where they are going, and where/what/when you are going to position yourself when all the shit breaks lose, you have about hmmm... 1 second maybe 2 seconds to asses the group make up and what course of action you'll take when the gate opens. With the vanity system, this is gonna be pretty funny, and chaotic.

[x037x]

EDIT: Think of it this way: there's nothing preventing that type of behavior right now. What's stopping 3 Lala spellcasters from donning identical robes, getting all the stats they need from their non-displayed gear, and playing a nasty game of "hide the healer"? Notice that's not happening: because it doesn't work. Human beings just aren't stupid enough to fall for such a ruse long enough to make a difference.

This would not work, everyone wearing robes? You mean the cowls that also use your head slot? you realize you can't change gear once in combat... your team would be absolutely destroyed. There are teams that can literally kill targets that are in full i70 pvp gear in about 4 seconds, sometimes faster.

Not to mention the stats lost from losing your chest and head piece.