Anyone Else Feel Betrayed?

[Kimikryo]

I need to ask, what is your problem with "vertical gear progression" of course you need better gear (going up) for harder content.
Or do you want to see your tank wear Level 1 gear on Ifrit Ex?

Why do people always think this is made for FFXI fans, if I remember right, very early, even with 1.0 it was said "FFXIV won't be a FFXI-2"

There are some thing in ARR that irk me.
Stuff that isn't included, although SE learned from FFXI people want it (which also is in other MMOs so not FFXI exclusive stuff.)
Sending stuff to your alts. Being able to store more of your gear .

Nothing that would make me stop playing ARR.
You don't like it? Fine. Nobody forces you to play it.

[EdwinLi]

I don't feel betrayed because I remember that they said they will nerf and remove lockouts of old content as new higher level ones with HIGHER ilevel Gears as their rewards are released.

Most likely you may need at least ilevel 85+ just to survive turn 6 -9

[Thunderz]

I expected to play a Final FantasyMMO not WoW HD (featuring FF people's)

[Gramul]

Betrayed? Hardly.
Disappointed they didn't adress crafting and tanking issues outside of very light encouragement instead of actual reworking? A bit.

Seriously? A mount and a few more recipes? That's not really going to solve anything. These problems are in the core mechanics and structure.

[Kimikryo]

And again those cave troll with their *durrr wow hurr derp derp derp*

Yes. FFXIV ARR has some WoW elements. Like every other MMO has. WoW took a LOT of its stuff from other MMOs on their own.

The only thing that made me scream WoW really REALLY loud was frigging Sastasha. You can put it however you want. This is Dead Mines. Those Dead Mines with first Boss a Zerobrain of a pirate and the last boss a scalekin cussing at the human pirate. But I get the feeling that somehow is a weird kind of easteregg.
Apart from that, what exactly is WoWish in FFXIV that is not like that in other games?
Each class is completely different to WoW. How to progress through the storyline is different (Yes WoW HAS story, but you need to stick to killing wolfs and pigs for a long time to be famous enough for the leaders to let you in on the problems of azeroth). the only other thing that is WoWish is the "being unable to change gear during fights"

[NefGP]

No one asked for FFXI-2, that's not what we wanted.

But that doesn't mean they had to go and abandon everything that made XI good either. My gripe with vertical progression is it trivializes everything that came before it, so you end up with less or the same content at all times. It's a very short-sighted approach to design and ultimately is counter-productive; it kills incentive to go and experience the older stuff for current players while new ones will generally breeze through it never knowing what it was like originally (it also makes it difficult to find people to help do that content, which is the real reason we have the silly roulette).

Before Abyssea ruined it all there was:

- Eco Warrior
- Garrison
- Expeditionary Forces
- Fields of Valor
- Sky
- Sea
- Dynamis
- Limbus
- Assault
- Nyzul Isle
- Pankration
- VNMs
- BCNMs
- KSNMs
- Campaign
- Besieged
- MMM
- ENMs
- Prime Avatars
- Ballista
- Brenner
- Gardening
- Mining/Logging/Harvesting
- HNMs


Sorry if I missed anything but I think I got all or most of it. The point is stuff was done in XI to last, with enjoying the content itself first and foremost, the shiny gear at the end second. If 1 event was too hard or didn't interest you, you could go and do a different one for comparable gear. There was no shortage of things to do in Vana'diel. Hydaelin by comparison, while very pretty, is ultimately a dull, boring place that simply jumps from the latest fad to the next.

EDIT: Forgot about Salvage and Einherjar, those were awesome as well. And the weekly escort quests.

[Vilhem]

Before Abyssea ruined it all there was:
- Sky
- Sea
- Dynamis
- Limbus
- Assault
- Nyzul Isle
- BCNMs
- KSNMs
- Besieged
- Gardening
- HNMs

Fixed >.> Most of that other stuff was dead on arrival, or very short lived. The mass majority of the population focused on the stuff above; but tell me, after 6 years+ of sky/sea, how much actual fun was it for people? Most were there trying to get that one stubborn drop, which wasn't challenging for the content itself, just a challenge to the good ol' RNG.

I miss XI just as much as the next guy, but how much of that nostalgia would actually last if this game WAS XI-2? i personally wouldn't want another XI; it took way too long to do anything...even in its current form it takes forever to do things.

I don't feel betrayed. Yes there are some glaring issues that need to be addressed, but overall I haven't felt the urge to unsub or flip tables at anyone. ;3

[Dyvid]

- Eco Warrior - FATE
- Garrison - FATE
- Expeditionary Forces - FATE due to GC seals but could also be Guildhest/leve
- Sky - Coil
- Dynamis - CT
- BCNMs - Trails/Guildhest
- Prime Avatars - Trails
- Ballista - Wolf Den
- Gardening - ???
- Mining/Logging/Harvesting - In game
- HNMs - A mix of trials and treasure map (item to pop NM)

I removed everything that didn't come out till after the second expansion. Okay, you say you don't want FFXI-2 but you want the 7+ years of content from FFXI in the first 6 months of FFXIV. That's realistic.... How about you compare FFXI six months after NA launch to FFXIV ARR then decide which has more content.

I miss XI just as much as the next guy, but how much of that nostalgia would actually last if this game WAS XI-2? i personally wouldn't want another XI; it took way too long to do anything...even in its current form it takes forever to do things.

This right here. Can you image the reaction if 2002 FFXI was launched today with pretty graphics? Half the people would unsub after a week of trying to find an xp party.

[Zezlar]

I was really hoping Yoshida would have addressed the massive faults in this games structure, but who am I kidding? Since when does Square-Enix do anything proper these days?

More nerfs, vanity crap for all!

[Akira_Tenshi]

This game is better than FF XI.