Please adjust Directional requirements for DRG to match how it is for MNK

[SeraviEdalborez]

I'm speaking to a hypothetical enemy that is like Demon Wall, where you CAN'T do rear attacks. Obviously we know nothing about Leviathan other than a 20 second teaser, but from just initial impressions it looks like it could be the same as Demon Wall: no rear attacks.

Do I need to keep repeating this? This is "crying"?

[Bridgeburner]

I like the separation between DRG and MNK. The classes are distinct in the current configuration. Changing them to be too much like the other will push us into the realm of all melee damage being cookie-cutter, something nobody wants.

Vote to remain as they are.

[EasymodeX]

This is "crying"?

Yes.

10ch

[Sygmaelle]

Do I need to keep repeating this? This is "crying"?

I just don't understand whats the big deal with that. Its cool to have contraints sometimes, other than that lets just wait to see the boss in question. I'd be concerned to not be able to hit a boss from lets say, Turn 6 to 9 in the back, honestly a not mandatory Primal is fine if its the case

[ColdestHeaven]

As a Dragoon, I think this is unnecessary. Yes, it could be good, and yes, I totally HATE having to use impulse drive AGAIN because I moved a goddamn step more to the left and missed the flank instead of the rear...but then again I think it's not necessary at all. Monks have a different playstyle, and the reason they continue their chains even though they missed the position is that without greased lightning they do overall less dps than us DRG. Like, a lot less. Combos are different from monks forms...also, did you know that they can't change forms if they deal 0 damage? I noticed that hitting a stoneskinned target didn't make me change form. I don't know if this happens if the target is also invulnerable (example, primals after/during signature attacks), but I think nonetheless that this is a weakness too since we just need to hit the target - regardless of whether we actually dealt damage or not. This applies to ALL the classes who use combos...which is to say, monks don't have combos. There is no reason for us to have our combos changed to forms, because this is a gimmick of the PGL/MNK and exclusive to them.

[Allyrion]

I noticed that hitting a stoneskinned target didn't make me change form. I don't know if this happens if the target is also invulnerable (example, primals after/during signature attacks),

Yea, we can't "combo" invulnerable targets.

we just need to hit the target - regardless of whether we actually dealt damage or not. This applies to ALL the classes who use combos...which is to say, monks don't have combos.

I didn't know that. So PLD, WAR, DRG can combo off an enemy when dealing no damage, such as to stoneskin/invulnerbility? The few times I ever did a strat in T4 that had me hitting the Solidier, I was stuck in a Bootshine spam and no GL. It was horrible. I assumed it was the same for everyone.

Thanks for the info. That really shows that they are just two different systems.

[Fue]

Well lets just say this is one reason why i prefer to play monk when doing duty finder with random group.
Much, much more relaxing.

[Atreides]

They actually fixed the stoneskin bug with 2.1 though.
We can "combo" fine on stoneskin now.

[Mardel]

After thinking about it more. They need to change these 4 skills:

Feint
Disembowel
Ring of Talons
Doom Spike

My suggestions:

Feint should swap with Disembowel and give the piercing debuff. This way if you run into a monster that you cannot get behind, demon wall, it would not screw us over too much.

Disembowel gives the slow instead of Feint. Validates actually having slow on the mob granted it doesn't naturally resist.

Ring of Talons should give a weaker AoE piercing debuff or possibly another debuff. IF it gives the piercing debuff the potency should be lowered.

Doom Spike still needs to be buffed by 10-20 potency, have potentially less tp drain, or give a mini dot. Anything really to make it a "different" kind of AoE when compared to RoT (YES, I know one is a line and another is a circle but in most fights you do AoE it is a trivial matter lol)

[Vodomir]

Feint should swap with Disembowel and give the piercing debuff. This way if you run into a monster that you cannot get behind, demon wall, it would not screw us over too much.

Disembowel gives the slow instead of Feint. Validates actually having slow on the mob granted it doesn't naturally resist.

No, please don't do that. This would mess with our rotation too much and requires us to incorporate a low-DPS skill into our rotation, that hasn't been part of the rotation before.