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    Tsurupettan's Avatar
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    I know the player you are referring to personally and he shared some screenshots with me.

    You may have left out some vital details. You say "aggressive language," the screenshots say something that rhymes with "mucking maggot." He actually is a gay male who is terrified of coming out, so great job. I dont know what caused you to use such hateful language, but i do know its not the first time you have been verbally hostile towards him.

    Was it his all pink armor that caused your disgusting outburst? You should know he undyed it so he doesnt have to face the same kind of intolerance in-game as he does in school.

    As a gay woman working in a male dominated culture, you are the kind of HATE i am most afraid of.

    As far as I can tell you got off too easy.
    I'm sure you have been a lot more careful with how you treat others. I guess the system does work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsurupettan View Post
    I know the player you are referring to personally and he shared some screenshots with me.

    You may have left out some vital details. You say "aggressive language," the screenshots say something that rhymes with "mucking maggot." He actually is a gay male who is terrified of coming out, so great job.
    If he are not for come out yet, you know for know this details. If he are terrify, then true friend would no make for expose secret on public forum.

    Your crime are make for far worse hurt than OP by expose great secret of close friend on internet.
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    Vandal Lillithson
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsurupettan View Post
    I know the player you are referring to personally and he shared some screenshots with me.

    You may have left out some vital details. You say "aggressive language," the screenshots say something that rhymes with "mucking maggot." He actually is a gay male who is terrified of coming out, so great job. I dont know what caused you to use such hateful language, but i do know its not the first time you have been verbally hostile towards him.

    Was it his all pink armor that caused your disgusting outburst? You should know he undyed it so he doesnt have to face the same kind of intolerance in-game as he does in school.

    As a gay woman working in a male dominated culture, you are the kind of HATE i am most afraid of.

    As far as I can tell you got off too easy.
    I'm sure you have been a lot more careful with how you treat others. I guess the system does work!
    He wasn't a member of Tonberry Knights is he?If he isn't can you point him our way? We're a LGBT FC and he sounds like he needs support and I know our members would give him him a warm welcome. (You are also welcome but I can tell you're already in a FC)

    As for the op. There are are 2 large LGBT FCs on excalibur. I suggest you transfer off before half the sever comes to hate you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lego3400 View Post
    As for the op. There are are 2 large LGBT FCs on excalibur. I suggest you transfer off before half the sever comes to hate you.
    This is the better way of handling it rather than a daddy figure coming in and saying "dont you be saying bad as hings Jr."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsurupettan View Post
    I know the player you are referring to personally and he shared some screenshots with me.

    You may have left out some vital details. You say "aggressive language," the screenshots say something that rhymes with "mucking maggot." He actually is a gay male who is terrified of coming out, so great job. I dont know what caused you to use such hateful language, but i do know its not the first time you have been verbally hostile towards him.

    Was it his all pink armor that caused your disgusting outburst? You should know he undyed it so he doesnt have to face the same kind of intolerance in-game as he does in school.

    As a gay woman working in a male dominated culture, you are the kind of HATE i am most afraid of.

    As far as I can tell you got off too easy.
    I'm sure you have been a lot more careful with how you treat others. I guess the system does work!
    Wow, hmm. I can guarantee you with 95.555 percent certainty that the OP in know way had any inkling of the sexual orientation of this player. This post is so riddled with unnecessary attempts to guilt and shame the OP.
    Even if that was what he said, the majority of the time that's thrown around there is no sexual orientation hate behind it. Hate maybe, but even hate is not always behind those words.
    I often say "that's gay" in regards to something stupid. Does that mean I think being gay or gay people are stupid? No of course not. But I suppose I would be reported for that huh?
    These forums are not the United States, so freedom of speech arguments are moot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonjon View Post
    Wow, hmm. I can guarantee you with 95.555 percent certainty that the OP in know way had any inkling of the sexual orientation of this player.

    Even if that was what he said, the majority of the time that's thrown around there is no sexual orientation hate behind it. Hate maybe, but even hate is not always behind those words.
    Except the term in question is a derogatory term for a male homosexual, you might say it out of hate, and inadvertently really offend someone which is why this kind of language shouldn't be used, it's like throwing around racial slur, then trying to defend yourself saying "How did I know you were from xxx minority" would you do that? Probably not then why should derogatory homophobic terms be thrown around in the same manner?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    Except the term in question is a derogatory term for a male homosexual, you might say it out of hate, and inadvertently really offend someone which is why this kind of language shouldn't be used, it's like throwing around racial slur, then trying to defend yourself saying "How did I know you were from xxx minority" would you do that? Probably not then why should derogatory homophobic terms be thrown around in the same manner?
    Word usage and meaning change over time. While yes that term is often utilized to be derogatory against a particular group of people, just as often online it is used to indicate that the person is stupid or a loser. ( I can already read the comments in regards to this statement). I myself often use ii in this way: Man you are such a ..., meaning you are an idiot, or another word, man that was gay; meaning that was stupid. The only way that phrase was an actual insult towards that group of people is if the speaker knows that the target is part of that group. Other wise the meaning is different. I should not have to say this but, just because the meaning of phrases or words can mean a group of people or idiot, loser, stupid, dumb, does not mean that the other definition applies to that same group. People who think otherwise are just looking for a battle. To illustrate, just because the word gay means same sex orientation, and it is used to mean stupid, does not mean people who are gay are stupid.

    People are free to interpret the meanings of words in the most literal sense, but that does not mean the true interpretation of the statement is that. To jump to the worst case scenario shows a lot.

    Honestly this thread has served its purpose. What started as a complaint about SE's approach to bots turned into an attack on the OP for unsubstantiated statements. Regardless even if they were actually said by him, this thread had no business turning into an LGBT issue seeing as there was never one to begin with.
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    Last edited by Jonjon; 01-27-2014 at 03:38 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsurupettan View Post
    I know the player you are referring to personally and he shared some screenshots with me.

    You may have left out some vital details. You say "aggressive language," the screenshots say something that rhymes with "mucking maggot." He actually is a gay male who is terrified of coming out, so great job. I dont know what caused you to use such hateful language, but i do know its not the first time you have been verbally hostile towards him.

    Was it his all pink armor that caused your disgusting outburst? You should know he undyed it so he doesnt have to face the same kind of intolerance in-game as he does in school.

    As a gay woman working in a male dominated culture, you are the kind of HATE i am most afraid of.

    As far as I can tell you got off too easy.
    I'm sure you have been a lot more careful with how you treat others. I guess the system does work!
    Serious? So the OP was suppose to ask your friend about his personal life first before insulting him? The problem here is not LGBT problem so stop trying to make it so, unless you have clear evidence that the OP knew the personal life of this guy you are trying to defend. From my point of view you are way out of place. Stick to the facts, what OP did is wrong wither it was aimed at a straight person or gay, you have no right to hijack the thread into another case of homophobia. Insults and verbal abuse knows no gender or sexuality.

    OP, stick to reporting players whom you think are botting, verbal abuse is not going to get you anywhere, and the GM for sure did the right thing.

    It does not matter what was the insult, verbal abuse is disgusting and it is absolutely wrong in any shape or form regardless of the victim race, sexuality and gender.
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    Last edited by NeoAmon; 01-26-2014 at 11:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NeoAmon View Post
    Serious? So the OP was suppose to ask your friend about his personal life first before insulting him?
    Even if the victim wasn't homosexual it is still homophobic (homophobes have an aversion to homosexuality, this means both hate AND fear, before someone tries to derail with etymology lessons that doesn't apply to modern use of the word) to use their sexual orientation as an insult against straight people (in the same way saying "you play like a girl!" to a man is sexist) because it reinforces that existing while LGBT is bad (or it wouldn't be insulting). Also, this is the internet; you don't know the person on the other side of the screen, so don't use language that have traditionally featured in hate speeches, violence and crime. Stick with the general insults if you feel so strongly about having to insult someone over a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norna View Post
    Even if the victim wasn't homosexual it is still homophobic (homophobes have an aversion to homosexuality, this means both hate AND fear, before someone tries to derail with etymology lessons that doesn't apply to modern use of the word) to use their sexual orientation as an insult against straight people (in the same way saying "you play like a girl!" to a man is sexist) because it reinforces that existing while LGBT is bad (or it wouldn't be insulting). Also, this is the internet; you don't know the person on the other side of the screen, so don't use language that have traditionally featured in hate speeches, violence and crime. Stick with the general insults if you feel so strongly about having to insult someone over a game.
    Did you just ignore everything I wrote? It does not matter what was the insult, verbal abuse is disgusting and it is absolutely wrong in any shape or form regardless of the victim race, sexuality and gender.
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    Last edited by NeoAmon; 01-26-2014 at 11:16 PM.

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