Being Reported on by a known bot

[NeoAmon]

Even if the victim wasn't homosexual it is still homophobic (homophobes have an aversion to homosexuality, this means both hate AND fear, before someone tries to derail with etymology lessons that doesn't apply to modern use of the word) to use their sexual orientation as an insult against straight people (in the same way saying "you play like a girl!" to a man is sexist) because it reinforces that existing while LGBT is bad (or it wouldn't be insulting). Also, this is the internet; you don't know the person on the other side of the screen, so don't use language that have traditionally featured in hate speeches, violence and crime. Stick with the general insults if you feel so strongly about having to insult someone over a game.

Did you just ignore everything I wrote? It does not matter what was the insult, verbal abuse is disgusting and it is absolutely wrong in any shape or form regardless of the victim race, sexuality and gender.

[MurakumoMillennium]

Even if the victim wasn't homosexual it is still homophobic (homophobes have an aversion to homosexuality, this means both hate AND fear, before someone tries to derail with etymology lessons that doesn't apply to modern use of the word)

It are no a phobia because it are no a fear of homosexuals. It are hate not scared.

[Norna]

Did you just ignore everything I wrote? It does not matter what was the insult, verbal abuse is disgusting and it is absolutely wrong in any shape or form regardless of the victim race, sexuality and gender.

Ah, sorry! Your quote was conflated with another poster's quote (and when I was erasing and separating quotes the other quote and the answer I had to your post seems to have been erased and I didn't notice due to using the Quick Reply field, which isn't very tall, with your quote, I was actually going to pick out the don't insult anyone part and add "I agree with this" to it). And yeah, I also agree that no one, no matter how close friends they are, should out another person. Erm, I'll go back and edit now...

EDIT because my internet hates me and wont let me edit the other post and half of this disappeared (anyone else having this issue, or is it just my internet?): Even so, certain language and terms are uniquely aimed at certain groups of people that face discrimination (even if none of them are involved in the argument), so even if you take a color, gender and sexuality-blind view on it, everyone should still recognize that.

It are no a phobia because it are no a fear of homosexuals. It are hate not scared.

Homophobia is an umbrella term that encompasses hate as well, it's a bit unique in the -phobia designations in that way. And the modern use of the word reflects this. It is often considered a derailment to bring up the "fear" historical meaning of the word in a discussion of hateful homophobia.

Freedom of Speech does NOT mean Freedom of Consequence.

THIS.

[Alberel]

I'm not going to comment on the dispute with the OP and this supposed botter but the way people are throwing 'Freedom of Speech' around in here is troubling.

Freedom of Speech does NOT mean Freedom of Consequence. Most free governments allow freedom of speech but you WILL be held to account for what you say. It is no different in America yet for some reason Americans often cite that right as a means of justifying their abuse of others. If you use homophobic language (regardless of whether or not you're speaking to a gay person) you are technically committing a hate crime; that supercedes any 'freedom of speech' in the same way that religious hatred or racism do.

[Kiroh]

God I love these forums. The thread starts as a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of botters/hackers never being punished while legitimate players get banned for swearing, and by page two it's a slamfest on the OP for dropping an f-bomb in a game with a language filter.

You people are amazing, I've seen pit-bulls with more self-restraint.

[Nekodar]

God I love these forums. The thread starts as a way of pointing out the hypocrisy of botters/hackers never being punished while legitimate players get banned for swearing, and by page two it's a slamfest on the OP for dropping an f-bomb in a game with a language filter.

You people are amazing, I've seen pit-bulls with more self-restraint.

The thread starter still didn't provide any sort of information on why he/she/it believe the other player is a bot. Are we supposed to take the OP's word as gospel on that the other player is a bot/using bot tools without any sort of evidence?
We do however have the OP's own word that he/she/it was harassing the supposed bot. Harassing is against the ToS regardless of target.

[Meimei]

Verbal harassment is also against the rules, and is a great deal easier to prove than botting activity.

Don't mistake my intent tho. No white knighting here - just some perspective. Everyone knows SE is by far the most inept/slow company when actually dealing with RMT, hackers and exploiters. The criminals probably don't even break a sweat, knowing that the company they evade just doesn't give a crap.

It's rather sickening. Welp, carry on.♪

[Kiroh]

The thread starter still didn't provide any sort of information on why he/she/it believe the other player is a bot. Are we supposed to take the OP's word as gospel on that the other player is a bot/using bot tools without any sort of evidence?
We do however have the OP's own word that he/she/it was harassing the supposed bot. Harassing is against the ToS regardless of target.

"The guy hacking is innocent until proven guilty, but saying f*ck is clearly abuse, BURN THE OP AT THE STAKE."

And you don't even realize how hypocritical this is...

I love these forums so much.

[Delsus]

"The guy hacking is innocent until proven guilty, but saying f*ck is clearly abuse, BURN THE OP AT THE STAKE."

And you don't even realize how hypocritical this is...

I love these forums so much.

You do understand that for bots they need to investigate the issue to ensure innocent players don't get banned, whereas offensive language is easy to investigate, they pull up the chat logs of the player in question.

Also we aren't talking about the F word, we are talking about the homophobic language apparently used by the OP.

[Radxen]

Am I the only one who finds it backwards that cursing is considered bad while we can pretty much run around nude and do some almost certain R-rated actions with our toons?
Not that I want the game to be totally full of prudish rules, but I say either makes everything PG-13 or don't but don't do half and half, it's just confusing.

As far as the botting subject goes (my desperate attempt to keep on topic ), from some of the stories I've heard about the staff, it sounds like SE needs a new GM team.