WAR > PLD

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It's the exact same true with a WAR tank, except with Butcher's Block instead of Rage of Halone. In fact, a PLD is going to have the advantage at the start because of their 20% damage debuff compared to WAR's 25%. On top of that, unlike PLD which can blow their damage buff right off the bat, for a WAR, because of Wrath and Maim, it's actually best for them to wait until after 2 full rotations before activating their damage buffs (Unchained, Berserk, Internal Release). WAR *could* Infuriate>Unchained>Berserk immediately, but it generates less enmity than delaying it. In *that* case, WAR is going to be hardcore frontloaded compared to PLD if they immediately go into BB spam but will be behind until shortly after their first BB is they delay the BB combo for Maim.

For some reason I was thinking combo'd SS had a slight higher potency then Savage, and made up for it in Halone, so my bad on the wording. My main point was with the Flash at the start, the comboed BB would be hitting sooner then a Halone, and thus the hate grab shortly into the fight as the OP seemed to be experiencing. Sounds like we agree on that, thanks for the correction, shows I haven't been playing enough PLD as of recent, heh. I do completely agree they'll be close in enmity if equally geared, that's why i said neck and neck earlier. ;o

As far as blowing Unchained + Berserk at the start, that is what most tanks *SHOULD* be doing. Threat gen at the very start of the fight is the most significant thing we can do to get DD rolling out faster. Threat gen is a joke after 2.1, you are describing optimizing threat against another tank fully optimizing threat, which simply shouldn't be happening. MTs are generally established, and securing threat at the start is more important then an overall threat boost down the road when DDs can barely make it halfway up the threat bar in the long run. I'd rather let that BRD or BLM front load all their damage asap without worry of aggroe jacking, since once established, my threat isn't going anywhere.

Your story was way cooler, you should tell us again!

Could you also tell us why you adjusted (read deleted) your initial post? xD

Did you figure out how provoke actually works? I could help you.

It's because of the initial post made. I guess 'stupid' being the keyword here, that's why he/she "adjusted" it (completely deleted it lol).

I'm not sure your reasoning for being a complete douche and continuing on berating someone who has gracefully bowed out:

I think this is exactly what's happening here. Thanks for helping me see that. I'm going to adjust my rotation accordingly and test. Thanks to the handful who contributed some useful information to this thread.

I understand that the tone of the original post was out-of-line. My apologies, but it was getting extremely frustrating. Thanks for reading

I didn't like their initial tone either, and they have corrected it and apologized. I have nothing but respect for people willing to do such, as they are hard to find these days. Please stop being vile and contributing to negativity abzoluut, and others coming in after the fact.