WAR > PLD

[abzoluut]

You're just a bad PLD, sry to be so blunt.

[Abigs]

You're just a bad PLD, sry to be so blunt.

he doesnt even have a 50 PLD or WAR for that matter..

[BlackRosesXIV]

Well, damn. This community just shows it's true colors more and more, day by day.
You say I'm a bad PLD. Perhaps... I'm legitimately trying to understand the mechanics here. For the record my Avg. iLvl right now is 80.
Let's use iLvl 80, and CT as baselines for these comparisons.
As a paladin, entering a boss battle:

1. Shield Toss to 'tag'
2. Provoke
3. Flash
4. Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone

First Skill used is Rampart, then cycle Convalescence, Bulwark, and Sentinel.
Aside from that I'm spamming my aggro combo. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's not much more to it than that as far as a single mob battle goes.
What I'm talking about, specifically, is while going through this rotation (above) a WAR can come and within 5 seconds has out-aggro'd me. Even when there's clearly no need for it.

Telling me "i'm doing it wrong" is pretty retarded considering the cookie cutter nature of this game.

[zakalw3]

Telling me "i'm doing it wrong" is pretty retarded considering the cookie cutter nature of this game.

If you're keeping up your rotations efficiently, the only way a warrior is going to peel aggro from you easily is if they out gear you, otherwise it's pretty much neck and neck.

You either didn't notice the WAR's gear or you wee not being efficient with you rotations.

[whiskeybravo]

Telling me "i'm doing it wrong" is pretty retarded considering the cookie cutter nature of this game.

You shouldn't really be using Provoke at all unless you lose aggro entirely. It does not build any hate, it just puts you +1 enmity above the leader which is nothing if you are the leader, and not much at all if you aren't.

I'm Warrior main but concept is the same for ST pulls: Use Fight or Flight>Shield Lob>RoH Combo. Flash isn't going to build a ton of hate, so it's almost wasting a GCD compared to a War who will not be using it. It's probably better to use Flash after RoH combo, but mainly use it for the damage mitigation not ST threat.

[BlackRosesXIV]

I normally use provoke initially because there is always at least one or two impatient DPS who throw out a nuke before aggro has been well established. When tanking a single mob that doesn't involve switching between tanks, I shouldn't have to use provoke at all, which is why I dont mind tossing it out initially and waiting for its CD. Also, IIRC Provoke is not on the same GCD as the rest of my abilities. So it generally just buys me a few seconds to get my first RoH combo off without losing aggro immediately.

[whiskeybravo]

I normally use provoke initially because there is always at least one or two impatient DPS who throw out a nuke before aggro has been well established. When tanking a single mob that doesn't involve switching between tanks, I shouldn't have to use provoke at all, which is why I dont mind tossing it out initially and waiting for its CD. Also, IIRC Provoke is not on the same GCD as the rest of my abilities. So it generally just buys me a few seconds to get my first RoH combo off without losing aggro immediately.

Those are not valid points for using Provoke lol. It's +1 enmity, which isn't building any sort of hate whatsoever. Literally sneezing on the mob is going to build more enmity than Provoke (it's intended use is solely stealing hate back if you lose it, and tank swaps obviously)

[BlackRosesXIV]

Those are not valid points for using Provoke lol. It's +1 enmity, which isn't building any sort of hate whatsoever. Literally sneezing on the mob is going to build more enmity than Provoke (it's intended use is solely stealing hate back if you lose it, and tank swaps obviously)

Ok, i realize the behavior of Provoke in XIV is much different than was in XI. But to make sure I understand...

Me: Shield Lob > <t>
BLM: Fire III <t> (now has aggro)
Me: Provoke <t> (now I have aggro)

This is not accurate? Again I use provoke when I raid because there is always some noob prematurely nuking... Not routinely, for instance, when I do coil with my static...

[BlackRosesXIV]

You're just a bad PLD, sry to be so blunt.

Cool story bro.

[abzoluut]

Cool story bro.

Your story was way cooler, you should tell us again!

Could you also tell us why you adjusted (read deleted) your initial post? xD

Did you figure out how provoke actually works? I could help you.