WAR > PLD

[Alistaire]

Great a another kid from wow, trolling in ff14 forums

I like to think these kinds of threads aren't started by trolls, that way I can laugh at their stupidity more.

[Riyos]

I'm a War. I love Wars. I hate Plds. But this thread is so stupid

[abzoluut]

I'm a War. I love Wars. I hate Plds. But this thread is so stupid

It's because of the initial post made. I guess 'stupid' being the keyword here, that's why he/she "adjusted" it (completely deleted it lol).

[Varhaatus]

Really ?

Seriously though if you have a paladin + warrior in a 8 man and you are not working as one, you are missing one of the best shows in the tanking world on any game.
You can make things just sit there while you /dance

On-topic a good warrior can pull hate ....... But then you either must be doing something wrong or you are not communicating with you "partner"
Let the warrior tank a pull, sit back and stun things for him you will see you can both rotate agro and entertain your party, this is not a one man show and it is not intended to be.

[Stalkster]

Well war dose have better hate it's just a matter if the war is being smart or not, heh.
In most situations Pld>War.
As a example in DR this evening I asked if the other tank wanted to MT(War), he pretty much said "we can fight for it", lol. Then only spammed BB combo, idc really if your ilv80 or w/e(guesstimation) war wants to tank over my ilv90 pld just don't be a duschbag about it and only spam BB combo like you a better tank, and be like i win lol..

[Grailer]

I have both WAR and PLD to 50 , guess which one I play the most

[SpookyGhost]

The reason WAR has more ways to rip hate off you is because we need to keep up a debuff with a combo that has no enmity multiplier, whereas PLD has a strength down debuff attatched to their enmity combo. If a WAR isn't completely horrible, they won't rip hate off you, though. As long as you're using FoF and your enmity combo and I'm cycling between Path, Eye, and (potentially) Fracture along with a few IBs, Unchaineds, Berserks, and Internal Releases I still shouldn't rip hate off you unless I'm way over your gear level.

Also same eHP etc etc, infact you get more eHP with a WAR present as you'll have a constant -10% mitigation on top of your default -20%. So yeah, relax.

[Kal-El]

I've had a WAR provoke off me constantly during a Prae Duty Roulette because "I want to make sure I have aggro if you die". He also stood right beside me so took unnecessary damage. He was a low ilevel and obviously quite new.

That's the only time I've had a WAR take hate off me as MT. The reason for that - Communication.

If he's MT I watch my hate. If I'm MT they'll watch theirs. If it's a free for all and he looks like he wants to tank I'll jump into Sword Oath and DPS instead. Doesn't bother me.

[Traek]

Silly topic is silly. The revisions to War in 2.1 were well done, there is no PLD > WAR or War > PLD these days, it's PLD + WAR. It sounds like you are doing things wrong overall, and should have made a constructive thread asking for help on rotation, or opinions on why you were losing threat. So if you are wondering why people are being negative, it is from the start your negative and wrong impression implied at the start of the thread.

Others have said it, but PLD & WAR doing rotations correctly are essentially neck and neck. You were out geared, or the WAR was dumb, either one is no reason to start this thread.

As far as your rotation, ST boss pull should be: FoF > Shield Lob > Spirits Within > Fast Blade > CoS > Savage > Halone > Halone combos. Flash should never be in your ST rotation except to blind for big hits on bosses applicable (not a lot these days). One big reason a Warrior will be taking hate on you (especially well geared) is because of that Flash at the start. PLD hate is back loaded into Halone, if you are starting your main generating combo late, while the WAR starts his early on you, then you'll be playing catch up. If you aren't using FoF at the start, and the WAR is using Zerk + Unchained.. well ya WAR wanted to MT, most likely dumb if its established you are the MT. I've not seen a DD take hate off pulls with the skill order I listed above, granted if DD went balls out full dumb dumb it might be possible, but that is not a common occurrence (I haven't seen it post 2.1 once).