WAR > PLD

[Varhaatus]

Really ?

Seriously though if you have a paladin + warrior in a 8 man and you are not working as one, you are missing one of the best shows in the tanking world on any game.
You can make things just sit there while you /dance

On-topic a good warrior can pull hate ....... But then you either must be doing something wrong or you are not communicating with you "partner"
Let the warrior tank a pull, sit back and stun things for him you will see you can both rotate agro and entertain your party, this is not a one man show and it is not intended to be.

[Stalkster]

Well war dose have better hate it's just a matter if the war is being smart or not, heh.
In most situations Pld>War.
As a example in DR this evening I asked if the other tank wanted to MT(War), he pretty much said "we can fight for it", lol. Then only spammed BB combo, idc really if your ilv80 or w/e(guesstimation) war wants to tank over my ilv90 pld just don't be a duschbag about it and only spam BB combo like you a better tank, and be like i win lol..

[Bigpurpleharness]

No.

Unless he's using Provoke or you're afk'ing halfway through the fight.

Was about to say... What a PLD does in one combo, requires 2 from a WAR, one of which doesn't have the enmity modifier.

Also, last I checked the DPS from tank-specced WARs/PLDs aren't exactly far from each other.

OP is high.

[Stalkster]

Was about to say... What a PLD does in one combo, requires 2 from a WAR, one of which doesn't have the enmity modifier.

Also, last I checked the DPS from tank-specced WARs/PLDs aren't exactly far from each other.

OP is high.

Unless the war is only spamming BB combo like a nub and not fully using war to its potential, The DPS difference is so small it's not really worth discussion. War has more burst but sustained DPS is not that much different.

[Grailer]

I have both WAR and PLD to 50 , guess which one I play the most

[SpookyGhost]

The reason WAR has more ways to rip hate off you is because we need to keep up a debuff with a combo that has no enmity multiplier, whereas PLD has a strength down debuff attatched to their enmity combo. If a WAR isn't completely horrible, they won't rip hate off you, though. As long as you're using FoF and your enmity combo and I'm cycling between Path, Eye, and (potentially) Fracture along with a few IBs, Unchaineds, Berserks, and Internal Releases I still shouldn't rip hate off you unless I'm way over your gear level.

Also same eHP etc etc, infact you get more eHP with a WAR present as you'll have a constant -10% mitigation on top of your default -20%. So yeah, relax.

[Abigs]

You're just a bad PLD, sry to be so blunt.

he doesnt even have a 50 PLD or WAR for that matter..

[Kal-El]

I've had a WAR provoke off me constantly during a Prae Duty Roulette because "I want to make sure I have aggro if you die". He also stood right beside me so took unnecessary damage. He was a low ilevel and obviously quite new.

That's the only time I've had a WAR take hate off me as MT. The reason for that - Communication.

If he's MT I watch my hate. If I'm MT they'll watch theirs. If it's a free for all and he looks like he wants to tank I'll jump into Sword Oath and DPS instead. Doesn't bother me.

[BlackRosesXIV]

Well, damn. This community just shows it's true colors more and more, day by day.
You say I'm a bad PLD. Perhaps... I'm legitimately trying to understand the mechanics here. For the record my Avg. iLvl right now is 80.
Let's use iLvl 80, and CT as baselines for these comparisons.
As a paladin, entering a boss battle:

1. Shield Toss to 'tag'
2. Provoke
3. Flash
4. Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone

First Skill used is Rampart, then cycle Convalescence, Bulwark, and Sentinel.
Aside from that I'm spamming my aggro combo. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's not much more to it than that as far as a single mob battle goes.
What I'm talking about, specifically, is while going through this rotation (above) a WAR can come and within 5 seconds has out-aggro'd me. Even when there's clearly no need for it.

Telling me "i'm doing it wrong" is pretty retarded considering the cookie cutter nature of this game.

[BlackRosesXIV]

You're just a bad PLD, sry to be so blunt.

Cool story bro.