PvP in this game will not succeed with its current model.

[Zabuza]

The main reason for this is the gap between a new player and a rank 30. It's not even just the skill level difference of a 30 having more experience. The gear/ability gap between a rank 1 and a rank 30 is actually insane. Even between an ilvl70 PvP geared player and an i90 PvP geared player, the gap is crazy.


I can always tell when I'm facing a 90 geared player because the damage I do to them is miniscule in comparison to anyone else. Not only that they have all their PvP abilities, which help tremendously. I solo queue often, and I know that if I face an ilvl90 SMN it's pretty much an auto loss unless I have an i90 geared MRD or another i90 SMN on my team.


This game is not solo queue friendly or newcomer friendly at all, between that and letting the bots do their thing with impunity. With solo queue it is not even luck of who the players are, it is more if they are r30 and not a bot. Just imagine 1-2 months down the line when you have full teams of i90 geared people. What new player is going to want to stick around in PvP and get his face bashed in by ilvl90 teams?


I propose an easy fix here to amend this ridiculous imbalance.

-Make an ilvl80 tier of PvP gear that you can wear at rank 20.
-Make all your talent points available at the start so you can allocate them as you wish, destroying the PvP ability advantage that a r30 has over a new player.
-Crack down on the bots.


The way PvP is now, no new player is going to want to stick around, none.

[LongNu]

In a few months, I'd expect them to nerf the grind even more. That being said, I'd also expect a i80 gear set to also be implemented into the game. Find it a bit ridiculous that it's not already in here, considering the giant gap between 70 to 90 gear. Anyway, talent points being available at the start is something I'm not really interested in. There's no ladder system, so the only progression in PvP is getting gear and skills. Seemingly, they will continue to nerf the grind, and if so - getting points will be easier. As far as the bot situation goes, I leave that in SE's hands.

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[LongNu]

la noscean gulch when

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[Alistaire]

Well, they've already said they're going to address this.

There's also 30 and 40 cap where the pvp gear won't matter. Something as simple as getting yourself one of the lvl 40 weapons from leves that are ilvl 43 will put you a good step ahead against standard/synched weapons even on players with a few more pvp skills than you.

[Sunako]

I would like if there were some kind of free style pvp for the grinding. Arena is good and fun for competitive battles but not for grinding purpose. And some kind of rating system would be nice too.

[Eriatarka12]

* Gear-related balance issues between beginning and advanced players will be addressed in patch 2.2.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...ba39b67875a7af

[Thunderz]

How about you don't do lvl 50 PvP if you keep getting face rolled

also after 2.15 I've actually been having a pretty decent time in PvP (good win ratio) stop hatin :P

(I don't think they will ever do something against BoTs :/)

[Quackley]

Gear aside, the ability difference is quite significant and makes it real hard to actually fight back.
Not quite to the level of gear, but still can basically end games.

Wouldn't be an issue if there was a way to avoid getting your pooper tickled by significantly higher leveled people.

[Foullacy]

I wouldn't say gear is an issue, I consistently beat R30 players solo/duo/triple ques in full i70 Wolves set with alagan spear, the main problem is I cannot play with my friends because for some reason SE wants to reward solo ques. This is organized small scale PvP, there should not be any catering to people who cannot find three other people to play with. Battlegrounds are obviously a different story, in arena if you cannot find three other like minded and skilled players, it's honestly not for you. The community in this games PVP is fucking terrible and we're forced to constantly play with those people we can't stand or tolerate. Remove solo/duo/triple ques from the 50s PvP bracket, add ranking/rewards or this games PvP is not going anywhere.