Warrior Cross-Class Abilities from Pugilist are Useless 3/3 (Finally! :P)

[Quor]

at least they have some minimal amount of utility. who wants skull sunder or savage blade as cross class abilities?

Actually, I've tanked a few runs on my DRG (pre-Brayflox stuff) by wearing the highest defense stuff I can and spamming skull sunder. Literally tab > SS > tab > SS > repeat until everything is dead.

It worked in Sastasha, it worked in Halatali, and it's worked in Toto-rak and Haukke.

Having said that, yeah, it's useless past Brayflox's.

More to the point of the OP, the aforementioned points of B4B being very strong on a WAR, in addition to the extra longevity allowed by Invigorate....well, that would take WAR from balanced to outright overpowered.

For instance, look at MRD in pvp; it's arguably the most hated/feared of the melee classes. Why? Because you can stack Maim, B4B, Raging Strikes, Berserk and Internal Release and kill someone in a stun + Holmgang. Also you can hit Vengeance just to make sure the B4B damage debuff doesn't bother you.

Giving WAR access to LNC skills would have a similar effect. We would get a Bulwark skill in Keen Flurry, unlimited TP (because if you're spamming Overpower on anything but huge trash pulls you're doing it wrong, and WAR barely has TP issues as is with the SE and SP changes), a 10% damage boost on top of the 40-45% increase we get from Berserk, and access to extra situational utility via Feint.

WAR really is doing fine right now. PLD is the tank that needs love. Not in terms of raw power, but in terms of making the damn class more interesting.

[Fallstrider]

It would definitely make more sense to have the two-hand weilding armorclad DD as a crossclass, rather than the kicking leatherwearer. With that said, I'm afraid it'd be just a tad bit too powerful.

Keen Flurry would of course be incredibly strong, Invigorate less so after the 2.1 fixes but still very useful. BfB would boost our already (slightly) higher DPS further beyond that of PLD, while being downright nastily insane in PvP. I doubt it's going to happen, unless tweaking in future patches would allow it. For example, I wouldn't mind having a couple of our skills slightly nerfed to make way for better cross classing.

Although they might be saving the Lancer for a future DD job for Marauder?

[BrandoH]

The fact that you made three threads because you don't understand how forums work seriously hurts your credibility, and will probably invalidate your opinion so much with several people that they won't even both to read your points. Go edit those old threads into oblivion, and put them into the OP on this one.

[Versiroth]

I like it. Keen Flurry would give us another nice mit cool down and Invigorate would allow us to continue on in those moments where the fight goes on forever or when we need to spam OP a couple more times. As far as BfB goes, we would be losing Internal Release, which is just as good if not better due to it stacking with wraith and having no draw backs.