What went wrong? Is it the game or the grenre?

[Genesis88]

so tanaka created ff7? because that is SE greatest game ever.

edit. not personal opinion (i like ff12 way better), but public opinion.

I agree Tanaka was original. He worked on alot of older FF titles, chrono cross, the successful ff11 and many others. Sad that he was thrown under the bus. The original crew wanted to steer 1.0 from ffxi, so he let them work on it with minimal interferance. Yeah wasn't the SE president at the time wanted to rush the launch of 1.0?

[DSX]

I think the companies lost sight of the MMORPG genre audience, because they thought they could get more money out of another audience.
The result is the companies being slammed by this new audience that are much like hit and run type of thing.
the new audience: demand easy to complete content or take short time to complete or both (because they don't have the time to spend on anything demanding and do not want to "tress" mentally on anything in a "game") > hit the game on launch > because the company made the content easy to complete with short time investment as they demanded they streamroll through it all in a matter of weeks or less > the company finds itself in a tight spot where the speed of development can't match how fast their easy content can be completed (some of them rehash content to buy more time) > this audience get bored waiting and leave instead as a result of boredom with the content they already completed. Of course a new game coming out too could speed up the process of leaving the game as they already finished what this game has and there is a completely new experience in that new game.

oh man i remember in xi when just seeing someone in full rdm af was drool-able and worshipy. If you wear af here it's a laughable and kickable offense. I -cried- happy tears when I got my rdm af2 hat after years of trying for it. Now the only thing im missing is full BIS gear for my already ilv 90 jobs and that's not that awesome as 80% of the population has it. Im not into fates so I haven't touched Arcanist yet and I miss exp parties.. not fate parties where the whm casts stone and never heals and the pt is 7 pld/wars. Where challenge isn't lag or if you can get to odin in the 1 minute hes up... Ex primals were a step in the right direction but even then I don't really find Titan fun at all.. more like crossing your fingers and hoping that this 89th party of the week has what it takes to dodge. This isn't the type of hard I hoped for

True.
and I like your sig about FFXI crafting

I think SE just doesn't want to learn from Tanaka's success.
In 5 years from now, Tanaka will probably be "that game producer that created that legendary game, our most succesfull title ever", rather than "Mr. Barance".

And Yoshi will probably be "that guy that tried to copy wow"

Learn from Tanaka... he created Japan's most succesfull MMO ever. If FFXI was marketed better, and supported better in none- JP communities, it might have rivaled WoW. But SE never put any money into marketing it outside Japan.

Tanaka put tons of depth in FFXI from aggro system, skill levels, magic, sub jobs, etc. he also said FFXIV 1.0 was not ready for launch.

I agree Tanaka was original. He worked on alot of older FF titles, chrono cross, the successful ff11 and many others. Sad that he was thrown under the bus. The original crew wanted to steer 1.0 from ffxi, so he let them work on it with minimal interferance. Yeah wasn't the SE president at the time wanted to rush the launch of 1.0?

That is all true.
Let me add that also SE refused to let tanaka creat a new game engine for FFXIV (just like he did for FFXI) and instead handed him the game engine for FF13 (yes an offline single player game) and told him to make due with it.